General/Other - Shinnok Shinnok General Discussion Thread

[Braindead]

That is correct

Does it do a lot of pushback? Are you guaranteed a F4 string after it in Bone Shaper?

 

[GeoffBedlam]

So Shinnok has an Overhead now? Does it pop-up/juggle? I'm on the Xbone so I haven't had the chance to lab it yet

 

[Phantasmagore]

You can now EX Hell sparks on block. When you couldn't before the patch. It is amazing now It is also +24 on block and allows for more shinnok pressure. I like to use f22 hell sparks

Yeah, that's where I'm confused. I'm still largely ignorant about the mechanics of this game so I don't know what using Ex Hell Sparks on Block does and why it is so amazing.

 

[Youphemism]

What is the significant change in Hell Sparks and what are its consequences? I'm a noob so I don't fully understand what happened.

Also, what is the common opinion of the Necromancer variation after its specific change?

You can now MB one of the Sparks on block the same way you could do it on hit to give you plus frames on block rather than be punished every time you throw out Hell Sparks and it gets blocked. Consequences are we now have a mindgame we can play with the opponent with that, make them scared to try and punish because they could get caught by MB Spark and full combo punished.

Necromancer is still shit. I mean yeah moving the unblockable is a bonus but it's not what Necro revolves around so it doesn't make a hugely significant difference.

 

[gibster13]

Does it do a lot of pushback? Are you guaranteed a F4 string after it in Bone Shaper?

No and no. Hit confirm the f22 string. If they block it just do the f2, if they get it do f22 into combo. You can take this further by doing f22 EXhell sparks on block

 

[gibster13]

So Shinnok has an Overhead now? Does it pop-up/juggle? I'm on the Xbone so I haven't had the chance to lab it yet

The overhead is a launcher but cannot be canceled ;-; what you can do is B3 f22 xx into move

 

[Braindead]

No and no. Hit confirm the f22 string. If they block it just do the f2, if they get it do f22 into combo. You can take this further by doing f22 EXhell sparks on block

Nah fuck F22 in neutral in Bone Shaper. F41D2 is the go-to string anytime anywhere.

 

[GeoffBedlam]

The overhead is a launcher but cannot be canceled ;-; what you can do is B3 f22 xx into move

Still, it gives you enough juggle to go into f22. That's rad, though, I'm glad Shinnok has that extra option now. Can't wait for the Xbone to finally get it haha

 

[Farpafraf]

Yeah, that's where I'm confused. I'm still largely ignorant about the mechanics of this game so I don't know what using Ex Hell Sparks on Block does and why it is so amazing.

It basically means that after someone blocks a MB hell spark for 24/60 of a second he can do nothing but block so you can do another sting, cancel it with MB hell spark and so on for crazy chip damage.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Does it do a lot of pushback? Are you guaranteed a F4 string after it in Bone Shaper?

It gives enough pushback that F4 will whiff.

At least the attack isn't dildos on block.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

is bone shaper's mid projectile faster now?

 

[xInfra Deadx]

is bone shaper's mid projectile faster now?

It didn't get changed at all.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

It didn't get changed at all.

which variation is better in your opinion boneshaper or imposter?

 

[Braindead]

You can now MB one of the Sparks on block the same way you could do it on hit to give you plus frames on block rather than be punished every time you throw out Hell Sparks and it gets blocked. Consequences are we now have a mindgame we can play with the opponent with that, make them scared to try and punish because they could get caught by MB Spark and full combo punished.

Necromancer is still shit. I mean yeah moving the unblockable is a bonus but it's not what Necro revolves around so it doesn't make a hugely significant difference.

You don't have the patch yet how can you judge if he's still shit?

If you kept bitching about his flick thing not tracking and whiffing on running characters now you can do close fist if you read their run and punish them. That should make them think twice about moving and making the flick whiff so it makes the flick better.

 

[Youphemism]

You don't have the patch yet how can you judge if he's still shit?

If you kept bitching about his flick thing not tracking and whiffing on running characters now you can do close fist if you read their run and punish them. That should make them think twice about moving and making the flick whiff so it makes the flick better.

Complains about me talking about how the patch affects Shinnok without having it, tells me how the patch affects Shinnok without having the patch himself.

Good logical talk man.

 

[Braindead]

Complains about me talking about how Shinnok plays after the patch without having it, tells me how Shinnok plays without having the patch himself.

Good logical talk man.

I also have never played Necromancer and I don't know his moves, so add that to the list.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

can you EX Imposter Shinnok's mimicry special?

 

[MsMiharo]

can you EX Imposter Shinnok's mimicry special?

no

 

[DownfouralitY]

So what frame data got changed? im on vacation right now but I guess xbox still doesnt have the patch and thats retarded lol

 

[xInfra Deadx]

which variation is better in your opinion boneshaper or imposter?

Impostor is still the way to go.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

So what frame data got changed? im on vacation right now but I guess xbox still doesnt have the patch and thats retarded lol

Standing 2, B2 and Standing 4 are all +2 now.

 

[DownfouralitY]

Standing 2, B2 and Standing 4 are all +2 now.

good shit, b2 is the move where he like hits you with his palms and sends you like mid or full screen right? i didnt really use it much

 

[xInfra Deadx]

good shit, b2 is the move where he like hits you with his palms and sends you like mid or full screen right? i didnt really use it much

That's the one.

Personally I feel it's very meh still...at least it isn't punishable anymore, so there's that.

 

[UltraDavid]

Ok I found a pretty nice tight block string that does about 30ish% damage in necromancer and like 27ish% in impostor, builds one bar of meter for every 2 you spend, and ends up safe on block:

j2, f22 db2 ex (ex on the 2nd hit), f22 db2 ex, f22 db2 ex, f22 db2 ex, f22 bf2 (or just f2 if in impostor)

Needless to say this is really great after a mimicry when the opponent is in a block-only state. I'm imagining like, whatever combo into mimicry, then 30% more damage if you have the bars heh. But it's probably useful in lots of others too.

Video incoming!

 

[Forr]

Ok I found a pretty nice block string that does about 30ish% damage in necromancer and like 27ish in impostor, builds one bar of meter for every 2 you spend, and ends up safe on block:

j2, f22 db2 ex (ex on the 2nd hit), f22 db2 ex, f22 db2 ex, f22 db2 ex, f22 bf2 (or just f2 if in impostor)

Needless to say this is really great after a mimicry when the opponent is in a block-only state. I'm imagining like, whatever combo into mimicry, then 30% more damage if you have the bars heh. But it's probably useful in lots of others too.

Video incoming!

You can do run cancels and get 112 db2ex for more chip damage. When you run out of stamina you do f22.