RiBBz22
TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
looks like you can actually just empty jump over it and punish, right?
looks like you can actually just empty jump over it and punish, right?
Yeah if you jump right before the WU comes out. ji1 works even later, it's ALMOST like reacting to the push, almost
Some MU numbers are not correct still, so the MU chart is not final. There is a chance for probably 1-2 more bad MUs, and some are more even than 6-4 KF. Also we are exploring the MMH MU right now and it might turn out not to be that bad.
Yeah I mostly like to make my read on it after the meterless vortex. If you don't dash under him after the last U3, you can do an empty jump and get a full F113 starter off. J1 whiff into 111 works great too. You can even do a dash under cross up j1 and the j1 will hit cross up and still avoid the push... then you can full combo off the jump in.Yeah if you jump right before the WU comes out. ji1 works even later, it's ALMOST like reacting to the push, almost
thats still pretty impressive and theres the possibility that mu isnt bad. interesting stuff
Yep, but it's a bit risky to lose the trait if they block. Still not a bad idea if we have meter, maybe mix the mbf3 with b1 xx mbf3, both blow up push, 1 is oh the other low to oh, pretty hard for them to guess correctly.
You will get hit by the push if you do the dash under jump setup I think. Pretty sure on that particular one you need to J1. On the empty jump you could probably change it to a late J3.
Nah, j3 works fine. The set-up combo I use:
Most say Cyborg is tough and MMH is hard to deal with, but I believe KF has the right tools for every MU. No one can dominate her and play dumb, or they eat reversals or parry into vortexes or huge trait damage.
Jump over lighting, if you do so early enough you get an iceberg. Threaten regular divekicks with 50/50 between b1u3 and f3. In neutral you can a2a his divekicks with j1 (it's risky, but if you don't he won't respect you), you can parry the majority of his ground tools, notably b2 and d1. Daggers aren't worth the risk usually. My derp strategy is to spend a lot of the match-up jumping at him: his aa's suck, and he has to take to the sky first to threaten your jumping attacks with a2a or divekicks. If he eats a jump-in then yay, if he blocks it then you can create mix-ups and frame traps out of that... Be very very patient.
i use the a2a alot to stuff divekick with superman, but i never uses frost vs him, i will try some of those tips, thanks
Dude, thank you so much for this. The first cycle of punishes is what I practice in the labs for quite some time. I was convinced I was gonna be able to finally beat this guy, knowing that he would react to the fact that I was MOVING after the votrex, essentially guaranteeing that he would tele. I always hoped he would do the push like you were demonstrating, but it was ALWAYS a non-OH tele. Then you went over the 2nd option, and its EXACTLY what I need! Thank you very much. I know as soon as he see me jump backwards he will do that non-OH tele, and now I should be able to punish it!
I feel like this is one of the few matchups where KF doesn't need to worry to much about jumping. She's almost better off jumping. I still have difficulties with it, but I feel like some of them stem from the fact that I've been trained from many of my more common matchups to NOT leave the ground, as most characters seem to be able to punish or at least easily see KF coming once she's off the ground. But now that I've started jumping more in this MU, I've had more success.
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