Is there a dedicated Run Button, or not?

[Gesture Required Ahead]

They could have made the dash non-block cancelable, but use a run button that allows dash to run cancels. That would have allowed specials and run to be canceled from dash, but prevented dash blocking.

Another I would add is for simplicity purposes. Not having a dedicated Run button keeps MKX a 5-button fighter. And they can't map it to flip stance button because that's 3+4 and it would make it awkward to cancel into other moves.

I understand the pain of you OG guys but I personally prefer it this way

 

[trufenix]

Originally I was hoping there would be some kind universal run cancel, like Injustice's bounce cancel, but seeing how many moves are dash cancellable now I think there's going to be a ton of combo options.

 

[Pterodactyl]

You can cancel a run with Block, so pretty safe.

Holy fucking shit.

The rushdown will be real in MKX.

Gonna be hilarious baiting someone with a run only to block when I get to them and punish their attack.

And if they don't, I got in for free.

 

[9.95]

Another I would add is for simplicity purposes. Not having a dedicated Run button keeps MKX a 5-button fighter. And they can't map it to flip stance button because that's 3+4 and it would make it awkward to cancel into other moves.

I understand the pain of you OG guys but I personally prefer it this way

Exactly the reason you remove the useless flip stance button.

 

[Rip Torn]

My hand could never reach the run button in the arcade. It always felt slapped on to me. It was too instant as well. Forcing a double tap motion makes run-canceling harder and less abuse-able. It's a good thing.

 

[haketh]

It was too instant as well. Forcing a double tap motion makes run-canceling harder and less abuse-able. It's a good thing.

It really doesn't make it less abusable, many games have dash/run pressure that works on double tap & people execute that flawlessly.

 

[9.95]

It really doesn't make it less abusable, many games have dash/run pressure that works on double tap & people execute that flawlessly.

Yeah, in MK9, there were string where you could buffer the dash during a the final move's animation and the dash would come out immediately afterward. I assume that holds true here, and all you do is buffer the dash and hold block and you get the move followed by run.

 

[TotteryManx]

It's pretty obvious they are trying to cater more towards the competitive side than in the past. Cancelling dashes with block in MK9 was clunky and lame. MKX is basically forcing you to walk back and forth and to use your head on when to run or back dash since they cost stamina. I also believe thats why projectiles seem to have been toned down..to cater to the new movement.

 

[ChaosTheory]

I was wondering about canceling strings/normals into runs. Curious if it's possible that it would affect the block-advantage of moves.

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Exactly the reason you remove the useless flip stance button.

The flip stance button(mapped from 3+4) is used to do XRays. If the flip stance button were to be a button of its own without being a 3+4 shortcut, your suggestion would work. But seeing as it is like it is, cancelling into other moves from a 3+4 run would be weird.

 

[Hitoshura]

Still don't understand why you need to hold block and forward to run. Why not double tap and hold forward to run?

 

[Rip Torn]

It really doesn't make it less abusable, many games have dash/run pressure that works on double tap & people execute that flawlessly.

Yeah, I guess it's not necessarily less abuseable, it just makes it easier to execute and less tiring, also instant. Movement that good shouldn't be so easy as a button press, imo.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Still don't understand why you need to hold block and forward to run. Why not double tap and hold forward to run?

I think MIT said you can simply just hold forward after a dash input and you'll run. so tap tap is a dash and tap HOLD is a run.

@MITDJT can you confirm or blow up what i just said so i don't misquote you?

 

[coolwhip]

Very interesting... there is still hope!

Thanks for chiming in, Phil.

No, there's not. I'm sure MIT misspoke. That's not what he meant. There is no run button.

 

[NobilityV3]

What?! Lol... wow.

"This thing is not exactly like this other thing I like! It must be garbage!"

-Sharks Breath-

Actually he's right. Three inputs to perform simple movement is ridiculous especially when you factor in run bursts during combos.

 

[Invincible Salads]

if this is gonna involve the block button, it needs to work like this to avoid running when u don't want, you have to double tap forward and hold it down on the 2nd tap while pressing block.

 

[9.95]

The flip stance button(mapped from 3+4) is used to do XRays. If the flip stance button were to be a button of its own without being a 3+4 shortcut, your suggestion would work. But seeing as it is like it is, cancelling into other moves from a 3+4 run would be weird.

Obviously all of this is a moot point because a Run button isn't incorporated, so our conversation is strictly hypothetical. That said, I think you're not looking at it from the point of view of MK being a 6 button game, which is what I'm trying to explain.

Let's assume that in MK9, Flip Stance was "Button 6"
Likewise, let's also label the additional macro buttons like this:

Flip Stance: 6
Throw: 7
Tag: 8

Both the PS3/4 and Xbox 360/One have 4 face buttons, 4 top buttons, and 2 buttons mapped to the click of the thumbsticks, totaling 10 usable in-game buttons for a standard system pad.

Most fightsticks have either 6 or 8 usable in-game buttons. (MK specific sticks have 6, Sanwa style usually have 8)

Let's go with the lowest common denominator, of 6 usable in-game buttons.

MK9 Layout

Front Punch 1
Back Punch 2
Front Kick 3
Back Kick 4
Block 5
Flip Stance 6 (3+4 macro)
Throw 7 (1+3 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Tag 8 (pad/sanwa stick only)
Xray FS+Block OR 3+4+5


Proposed MKX Layout with run button

Front Punch 1
Back Punch 2
Front Kick 3
Back Kick 4
Block 5
Run 6
Throw 7 (1+3 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Flip Stance 8 (3+4 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Xray FS+Block OR 3+4+5


Currently, the ONLY reason that Flip Stance exists is either for aesthetic purposes (Some people don't want their fighter's back to the screen, I guess), or, more importantly, as an Xray "enabler". Think about it, without Flip Stance, Xray is the block button, which you simply can't have. Instead, the flip stance button is used to "enable" the xray.

-If Tag mode isn't in the game, then the button is useless.
-Throw could be mapped to a thumbstick click or you can still mash 1+3 for a throw, it's not hard.
-Flip stance could be omitted entirely and just make Xray it's own button with a macro of 3+4+5

This is how you can make a Run button work. Again, all hypothetical and moot, but also since almost none of us have played the game, it's entirely possible that the way a run button would work, simply wouldn't work with the game's mechanics.

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

Actually he's right. Three inputs to perform simple movement is ridiculous especially when you factor in run bursts during combos.

No. No he is not right. Do you even know what you are agreeing with?

 

[Gesture Required Ahead]

Obviously all of this is a moot point because a Run button isn't incorporated, so our conversation is strictly hypothetical. That said, I think you're not looking at it from the point of view of MK being a 6 button game, which is what I'm trying to explain.

Let's assume that in MK9, Flip Stance was "Button 6"
Likewise, let's also label the additional macro buttons like this:

Flip Stance: 6
Throw: 7
Tag: 8

Both the PS3/4 and Xbox 360/One have 4 face buttons, 4 top buttons, and 2 buttons mapped to the click of the thumbsticks, totaling 10 usable in-game buttons for a standard system pad.

Most fightsticks have either 6 or 8 usable in-game buttons. (MK specific sticks have 6, Sanwa style usually have 8)

Let's go with the lowest common denominator, of 6 usable in-game buttons.

MK9 Layout

Front Punch 1
Back Punch 2
Front Kick 3
Back Kick 4
Block 5
Flip Stance 6 (3+4 macro)
Throw 7 (1+3 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Tag 8 (pad/sanwa stick only)
Xray FS+Block OR 3+4+5


Proposed MKX Layout with run button

Front Punch 1
Back Punch 2
Front Kick 3
Back Kick 4
Block 5
Run 6
Throw 7 (1+3 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Flip Stance 8 (3+4 macro) (pad/sanwa stick only)
Xray FS+Block OR 3+4+5


Currently, the ONLY reason that Flip Stance exists is either for aesthetic purposes (Some people don't want their fighter's back to the screen, I guess), or, more importantly, as an Xray "enabler". Think about it, without Flip Stance, Xray is the block button, which you simply can't have. Instead, the flip stance button is used to "enable" the xray.

-If Tag mode isn't in the game, then the button is useless.
-Throw could be mapped to a thumbstick click or you can still mash 1+3 for a throw, it's not hard.
-Flip stance could be omitted entirely and just make Xray it's own button with a macro of 3+4+5

This is how you can make a Run button work. Again, all hypothetical and moot, but also since almost none of us have played the game, it's entirely possible that the way a run button would work, simply wouldn't work with the game's mechanics.

Pretty much

 

[ChaosTheory]

if this is gonna involve the block button, it needs to work like this to avoid running when u don't want, you have to double tap forward and hold it down on the 2nd tap while pressing block.

If you had to hold forward, you couldn't buffer moves during the run. Holding only the block button allows you to freely input multiple directions for specials.

I'm sure it's just a matter of practicing and won't be an issue once we learn the timing.

 

[BRUTALITY]

no

 

[Invincible Salads]

at the very least we shoudl have the option to assign run to a button or something.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I think MIT said you can simply just hold forward after a dash input and you'll run. so tap tap is a dash and tap HOLD is a run.

@MITDJT can you confirm or blow up what i just said so i don't misquote you?

You are correct, tap and on the second tap hold it down.

 

[Dank_Sinatra]

What?! Lol... wow.

"This thing is not exactly like this other thing I like! It must be garbage!"

-Sharks Breath-

Who said anything about garbage? I just think not having a dedicated run button is a mistake, that's all. Never said it will be garbage, just less enjoyable for me.

 

[Dank_Sinatra]

at the very least we shoudl have the option to assign run to a button or something.

You hit the nail on the head.