Question - Takeda Is Takeda a low tier hero?

[getoverhere--->]

Ummm, well over all he has a lot of trouble against people who can do one of two things, out zone him, or keep the pressure on very very well, once again my knowledge is lasher specific, but I think that Scorpion can get his number really well by staying out of b2 range and extelecombo punishing. So if you had trouble against lasher the problem was just lack of my knowledge. I'm sure there is way more like of course kung lao and quan chi, but when I get home I'm going to lab out and play a lot of matches and let you know my opinion on lashers bad mus.

Aight cool
I gave him more trouble with Erron Black and Kitana than Scorpion tho... I guess I need to work on my Scorp lol

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Aight cool
I gave him more trouble with Erron Black and Kitana than Scorpion tho... I guess I need to work on my Scorp lol

Nah it was probably just MU inexperience since you likely didn't know about how long his recovery is and to bait out b2, but erron and Kitana both are since pretty tough mus for lasher I think

 

[ryublaze]

To me he doesn't really have 50/50. Offline you can block everything on reaction. Online it's true 50/50.
Just like Cryomancer.

He has 50/50 cuz the b2 and b3 animations look similar.

 

[DrFolmer]

More like a high tier underdog or some shit

 

[HomeLee1121]

He has 50/50 cuz the b2 and b3 animations look similar.

who r u

 

[Dust]

I think Lasher is better then what other people are giving him credit for. It has the best armor out of all 3 variations, it has true mix ups with whip trip, it has those air normals that make jumping back really strong putting Lasher where he wants to be on the screen. Okay corner damage and good anti air. His biggest weakness is characters that can out zone with multi hitting projectiles. Armored Tornado kick works against a few zoners and so does jumping f1. Takeda as whole is a tad bit slow up close but I find his 8f uppercut places the opponent in a great spot to start lasher oki pressure. I enjoy his throw for the same oki pressure.

 

[SM StarGazer]

Whip it. Whip it. Throw. GG

 

[PPJ]

all three variations are far from low tier

 

[ryublaze]

who r u

Changed my TYM name...don't get me confused with @Red Reaper xD

 

[Bomborge]

Why does everyone over look lasher like an unwanted love child?)
But yes he is useful

I think Lasher has the least utility out of his three variations. He probably has the best armor moves though and the jump attacks are helpful, he is also fairly unsafe as well (but shirai ryu is as well).

Compared to SR, I think he lacks the damage SR has and mobility as well. And ronin has the pressure lasher doesn't either. Not that lasher is bad, just lacking compared to the other two imo.

 

[Vigilante24]

Wanna get some games?

Yea sure we can play. My psn is under my name.

 

[errormacro7]

He's A+ tier for sure.

@Red Raptor makes this character look hella broke. I feel salty for all the people he bodies. #nerftakeda

 

[lm Tweakk]

Takeda is A+ right under the S tier characters, IMO.

Very underrated character as a whole, especially after the buffs.

That's very interesting , what do you think his best variations are in order ?

 

[TackyHaddock]

Changed my TYM name...don't get me confused with @Red Reaper xD

Hey man, I just watched some of your youtube videos, vs. Woundcowboy, honeybee and scar. Holy shit, are you going to more offline tournaments soon?

 

[Wetdoba]

No one is a low tier hero in this game anymore besides Kenshi and Jason. Everyone else just needs to level up with their character if they think they are bad.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

I think Lasher has the least utility out of his three variations. He probably has the best armor moves though and the jump attacks are helpful, he is also fairly unsafe as well (but shirai ryu is as well).

Compared to SR, I think he lacks the damage SR has and mobility as well. And ronin has the pressure lasher doesn't either. Not that lasher is bad, just lacking compared to the other two imo.

Lacks damage? Unsafe? HAHAHA you sir don't know how to play lasher, lasher is all about space control in keeping your in a space where I can hit my 50/50s and nobody (except reptile) can punish me.

 

[RyuuJin882]

To me he doesn't really have 50/50. Offline you can block everything on reaction. Online it's true 50/50.
Just like Cryomancer.

f1 2 2+4~EX Blade Call mix up isn't that easy to react to. But yeah, Ronin's 50/50 game is bad compared to the best variations of the cast.

 

[Bomborge]

Lacks damage? Unsafe? HAHAHA you sir don't know how to play lasher, lasher is all about space control in keeping your in a space where I can hit my 50/50s and nobody (except reptile) can punish me.

First off, thanks for coming off as a condescending asshole. I clearly stated that's what I thought and not completely sure of. I realize its space control, but I was also basing it off the fact I was punishing you online when i was playing in a koth with you last week. And in terms of damage, im curious to how much you can get? I labbed him for a week after the patch and could barely get past 30 in the corner.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

First off, thanks for coming off as a condescending asshole. I clearly stated that's what I thought and not completely sure of. I realize its space control, but I was also basing it off the fact I was punishing you online when i was playing in a koth with you last week. And in terms of damage, im curious to how much you can get? I labbed him for a week after the patch and could barely get past 30 in the corner.

my bad im in a bad mood right now, long ass day, phone just got demolished. but he isnt very punishable, everytime you punished me was purely my fault and my fault alone, and in the corner you can get up to the low 40's and mid screen you can get into the high 30's

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

First off, thanks for coming off as a condescending asshole. I clearly stated that's what I thought and not completely sure of. I realize its space control, but I was also basing it off the fact I was punishing you online when i was playing in a koth with you last week. And in terms of damage, im curious to how much you can get? I labbed him for a week after the patch and could barely get past 30 in the corner.

Lasher can get 40-50% in the corner practical off his low and overheads and other strings.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Lasher has the pseudo unlockable too.....

yea, but i still need to face his other variations, you pretty much exclusively use lasher

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Lasher falls in last place due to the fact that he doesn't have safe pressure without losing damage. Which is where SR excels.

IMO if lasher could fully and easily convert from ex kunai, it'd be a lot better. That ONE flaw is what holds him back from being great.

 

[IrishMantis]

Well......

I think this all enough for an answer

 

[Asodimazze]

I need more experience, but at the moment Ronin looks extremely strong, borderline broken to me.

I don't think any character should have that kind of pressure without using stamina or meter, expecially one with safe 50-50, enormous range, insane damage, good counterzoning, etc..

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

Lasher falls in last place due to the fact that he doesn't have safe pressure without losing damage. Which is where SR excels.

IMO if lasher could fully and easily convert from ex kunai, it'd be a lot better. That ONE flaw is what holds him back from being great.

im able to get into the high 20's off of raw ex kunai, but even then, lasher isnt about pressure, yeah he can do that but IMO lasher is about space control, keeping your opponent at bay withing b2 range but not close enough to where they can punish your 50/50s, controlling air space with B2, F1 2+4, or df1, D2, all that good stuff, ronin has pressure, and counter zoning, shirai has pressure, mobility, and damn good damage, lasher has space control, and armor, and some decent damage if you would rather go for it rather than positioning.
by the way I think it falls last place as well but just for different reasons