Breakthrough - Kano [EO Beta Closed] Kano Beta Changes Discussion

[xMEECH]

So was this cybernetic only? Or does commando now have B13 as a true blockstring?

 

[FlappyDaniel]

So was this cybernetic only?

cyber and commando. CT doesn't have the same B1

 

[FlappyDaniel]

I believe it always was. They had added the gap for the beta initially then removed it for the recent update.

 

[xMEECH]

I believe it always was. They had added the gap for the beta initially then removed it for the recent update.

God damn. So now commando can do b1 tick throw, or b13 as a true blockstring. Freaking sweet.

 

[HuttonMD]

I'm just used to converting off of EX Ball, which will be SOOO much easier in beta. If we had a restand in commando tho that would be awesome.

Couldn't you use 32 as restand im not sure on how much damage you would loose but I thought in commando 32 leaves them standing and plus.

PS I could be wrong I haven't played commando in awhile please don't shoot me lol

 

[Apex Kano]

how is kano zoning you? He only has mid knives in cyber.

Simple! If the person knows what they are doing. Cyber is good at controlling space with his mid knives. It might not look all fancy like Shinnok or Quan, but Cyber can control spacing and he has anti air. I just wish his up laser could stun like Sonya demo so we have a purpose of using it besides coner combos.

 

[MsMiharo]

I'm just used to converting off of EX Ball, which will be SOOO much easier in beta. If we had a restand in commando tho that would be awesome.

32 knife

 

[xMEECH]

32 knife

112 knife for max dammy, although the knife is only +7 on hit

 

[MsMiharo]

112 knife for max dammy, although the knife is only +7 on hit

32 knife leaves them in command grab range. 112 knife is kinda weird and you can whiff if you're a frame or two off

 

[Folux182]

I've been planning on picking up Kano for awhile now but these changes may be the final thing to pull me in. I'm deciding between Commando and Cybernetic. Can someone help me with the pros and cons for each?

 

[FlappyDaniel]

Yeah I totally just forgot about that with my post. We totes have a restand. I been away too long lol.

 

[xMEECH]

I've been planning on picking up Kano for awhile now but these changes may be the final thing to pull me in. I'm deciding between Commando and Cybernetic. Can someone help me with the pros and cons for each?

They don't really have any cons tbh, other than a lack of an overhead.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

we finally gettin retribution for the B1 nerf on release lol.

well, that was kinda needed lol. 9f mid +2 on block it's kinda crazy

 

[NHDR]

I've been planning on picking up Kano for awhile now but these changes may be the final thing to pull me in. I'm deciding between Commando and Cybernetic. Can someone help me with the pros and cons for each?

Cybernetic:
+Good projectile, GREAT EX projectile
+Solid footsies (D4, B1)
+Solid AA options with D2 and EX Kano Upball
+Solid wake-up with EX Kano Upball
-No mixups or 50/50 (I'm not counting tick throws here)
-Your opponent WILL get in on you or force you to play up close.
-Nerfed backdash
-Upwards laser is useless except for corner combo extension

He's a solid character, he just has no "dirt". I won't comment on Commando, have never really played that variation at all. The only thing I can say with authority is that his projectile is worse than in Cyber.

 

[Youphemism]

I noticed that D4 now ticks into his backwards command grab which makes me think they might have nerfed the cancel advantage on his D4 too. Could someone test that?

 

[IrishMantis]

I love how of 22 he gets 37% now

That really helped

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

CT Db1 is +15 on hit up from +12

I didn't notice this before but realized that he does indeed get a 50/50 with a slight rc. You can't poke or armor after if I'm on point. Pre beta, you could.

 

[DFC]

7 frame D1 when? He NEEDS it.

Spoiler: You open the chest only to find...

I'm still not very good, even with all this.

 

[ToldYouSo]

So, b13 being a blockstun, could someone explain what that means exactly? A blockstring is designed to keep the opponent in blockstun if they are blocking, correct? So, what advantage does that give me? What is best to combo off a blockstring?

 

[Kinetic Demise]

I don't really see a nerf in his back dash. It still feels the same to me. Now i do need to check because i think his f4 actually low crushes now but i need to test it out. But it does seem as though his upball got a slight nerf. It's whiffing on big hit box characters like jax. Especially when trying two in a row.

After extensive research(just doing reversal Uprise Ball after strings while opponent blocks) it does appear that they have nerfed the range on Uprise Ball. I tested the same string in beta and off. In the beta, if any variation of Kano is up against a Cutthroat Kano who does b121xxBlade Toss and proceeds to block; a reversal Uprise Ball will completely whiff. In regular game the Cutthroat Kano blocks both hits of a reversal Uprise Ball. Hopefully this gets adjusted back like our b1,3 in Cybernetic and Commando.

 

[Noobe]

After extensive research(just doing reversal Uprise Ball after strings while opponent blocks) it does appear that they have nerfed the range on Uprise Ball. I tested the same string in beta and off. In the beta, if any variation of Kano is up against a Cutthroat Kano who does b121xxBlade Toss and proceeds to block; a reversal Uprise Ball will completely whiff. In regular game the Cutthroat Kano blocks both hits of a reversal Uprise Ball. Hopefully this gets adjusted back like our b1,3 in Cybernetic and Commando.

This was nerfed since the very begin of the beta when he was released. Hopefully in kp2 it is fixed because this will make his up ball useless since anyone can literally just do a d3 or d4 and low profile it. As far as the b1 3. Honestly they need to put that gap back on because he needs eat.

 

[Noobe]

They don't really have any cons tbh, other than a lack of an overhead.

Wrong. Actually the cons between the two is that commando is way to meter dependent. While cyber only needs 1 bar in the corner to do upwards of 49%. Commando needs meter to get 30% which cyber does with no bar.


The projectile is better in cyber then commando. And commando needs to many reads while cyber is solid and can control many match ups very well with his projectile. Honestly i can't think of a match up that commando wins that cyber can't do even better. If anyone can help let me know.

As far as i can tell the pressure up close is similar but cyber plays it way better just because of his fast projectile. And cyber can bait xrays and break armor with ex knives which is a plus.

 

[Youphemism]

Wrong. Actually the cons between the two is that commando is way to meter dependent. While cyber only needs 1 bar in the corner to do upwards of 49%. Commando needs meter to get 30% which cyber does with no bar.


The projectile is better in cyber then commando. And commando needs to many reads while cyber is solid and can control many match ups very well with his projectile. Honestly i can't think of a match up that commando wins that cyber can't do even better. If anyone can help let me know.

As far as i can tell the pressure up close is similar but cyber plays it way better just because of his fast projectile. And cyber can bait xrays and break armor with ex knives which is a plus.

I reckon Commando might do better against 1 dimensional pressure characters like Kung Lao that are also too mobile to pin down with Cyber's zoning.

 

[Noobe]

I reckon Commando might do better against 1 dimensional pressure characters like Kung Lao that are also too mobile to pin down with Cyber's zoning.

Eeehh maybe. But cyber does just fine against kung lao though. I don't see his pressure in commando any different then commando. Except that he is just unsafe if the read is read. While in cyber he doesn't have to take as much risk.

 

[MsMiharo]

Eeehh maybe. But cyber does just fine against kung lao though. I don't see his pressure in commando any different then commando. Except that he is just unsafe if the read is read. While in cyber he doesn't have to take as much risk.

Commando does fine vs pressure characters that like to press buttons. Jax, KL, LK,Goro, etc. Also his keep away game is almost as good as cyber. Knives are good, his AA is possibly better than cyber. Also he has the best wake up game in the entire roster. 2 safe armored moves, check. Armored combo starter, check. Unblockable armored grabs where you can choose sides, check. Meterless parry, check. He's really hard to corner which is an important trait in this game.