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Should Scorpion be banned from tournaments?


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What's the difference between scorpion forcing you to hold down all game and Killer frost making you hold down all game?
1. You can't react to KF's slide point blank. But midscreen because of the travel frames you can react to it with a neutral jump or a throw. You can even low crush her slide with some normals or MB b3 it. You can't do any of that vs Scorpion's teleport. You can kinda react to his tele (23f is average overhead speed) but you can only hold down or forward. The start up is always the same no matter how close or far away you are from Scorp and he leaves the screen in 7 frames.

2. You can jump vs KF with little risk. vs Scorp you always have to stay on the ground and you can't dash or backdash too much because all of those 3 options lose to a 23f tele thrown on reaction or anticipation.

3. If you hold down midscreen vs KF she can't really do much to open you up. She has no overheads with longer range than her F3. But if you crouch too much vs Scorpion he can open you up with Hell Fire or instant J1/J3.

4. Killer Frost has to hit you to start her BS. If you block, she's safe but her momentum ends. Scorpion (with meter) always has momentum. On hit, on block, on whiff. It doesn't matter, you still have to respect him and he never respects you.

5. KF is at a disadvantage in power stages. Not only does Scorpion have interactable advantage in every stage but he prevents you from using them at all.
 
This is truly sad.

I've been playing Bane since Day 1. I've gone to tournaments hoping to place high only to lose to mediocre players and horrendous matchups. What everyone complains about now is something Bane players have to deal with since the beginning.

I like the Scorpion matchup with Bane cause he saves Bane the trouble of getting in. If you know how to block/evade, he becomes very vunerable.
 

Sasuga

Noob
I've been playing Bane since Day 1. I've gone to tournaments hoping to place high only to lose to mediocre players and horrendous matchups. What everyone complains about now is something Bane players have to deal with since the beginning.

I like the Scorpion matchup with Bane cause he saves Bane the trouble of getting in. If you know how to block/evade, he becomes very vunerable.
This.
 

Temjiin

www.mkxframedata.com
Serious note - I didn't buy IGAU after trying the demo, however fixing Scorpion is an obvious fix for me: make the teleport so Scorpion vanishes from the screen and appears above but also in front of you, like Mileena's. This way he avoids projectiles but you can still block by holding back. Fixed for you.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
My comparison is less to do with a block button and more to do with the pace of the matches.

I know the teleport changes the pace, but look how many instant air 1's, jump 3's and overall pressure Reo sets aside from the teleport. It's very fast paced in your face.

I will play you with all of my main characters. I WILL STREAM IT. I will then spend 30 minutes in training mode with Scorpion, who I have NOT touched since launch. Lets see how well you do against me?

Since I am not REO this challenge should not be an issue right? I'm just some scrubby player, playing a character that is OK.
 

Sao87

@thedigitaldojo
I mean we got a first preview of the scorpion future on Phils 24 hour stream. REO Beat the hell out of every person that wasnt across the atlantic ocean and guess who made this thread?

You're acting like REO had to put some serious time into his performance at the 24 hour stream.

My biggest issue with Scorpion is that he is arguably dumber than Kabal and you can play Scorpion at a very high level after 1 day of training.

Give me an hour, I will train live on stream. After that hour I will be competitive with really good players. I'll even accept challenges!
 
Scorpion will kill this game if he isnt banned in time.
why are people in this community so stupid that they cant see scorpion current design is flawed in this system.
Cant you see that he breaks the game in his current form , nrs were so lazy that they just copied and pasted his mk9 design into this game.
i support a ban for the life span of this game .
if scorpion is allowed to stay im afraid to say this game will die.
ban him before before evo its a warning.
it always angers me when NRS will spend all their time producing a fighter worthy only to spoil it with a small wrong move.
 

Sasuga

Noob
why are people in this community so stupid that they cant see scorpion current design is flawed in this system.
I, for one, do see Scorpions design flaws but IMO, this game had been facing design flaws since day one. But it's only a problem since the top-tier characters are suffering from it.
 

Minh Giang

aka ChrsitianDMG on Stream
If NRS wants to fix his teleport, IMO they should make him disapear after 15-18 frames so everyone can see it coming. His teleport is like ~20 frames (i can't remember correctly) but he disapears too fast. If NRS does it, people will stop bitching.

raiden dlc please!
he is the one who can stop scorpion

#kappa
NRS should bring us block button and we will be fine :joker:
 

Killjoy McGee

[Hype Intensifies]
I think he should be banned, but only because he will kill what little variety of characters we already have at events.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
I voted yes.
Not now. After EVO, perhaps. But soon.

It's not a matter, to me, of how many wins or placings it's going to take.
It's a matter of the fact that this character as a whole, and how simply his tools can be exploited against damn near the entire roster, regardless of player capability, is going to make this game look incredibly unappealing to the collective of players looking for a reason to keep going that doesn't involve picking up characters they have no interest in. It's one thing to tell people "level up," but that's a lot of heads that are going to potentially be looking towards SFxT, the incoming new Smash, or some other manner of competitive pickup to make up for not wanting to have to abandon their desired pursuit just to deal with one fucking character.

The worst part is, unlike Kabal, he really isn't even that interesting to watch.
At least when @REO and Kabal came to town, you could feel your fingers cramping in sympathy watching them work.
This is just outright uninspiring.

for the good of the game, i think he should be temporarily banned until NRS decides to fix him.
This.

Make MB Teleport +2 on block instead of +9, or whatever it is, and make it a KO like Smoke's instead of a damn launcher.
Let him keep the vortex, but make both punches full combo punishable on whiff.
Give him back his old Flipkick because that was the most pointless nerf ever.
Decrease the range of his jumping 3.

Fixed.
 
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