Discussion My tier list

[DDutchguy]

This is clearly bait but I'm biting because I like seeing downplaying.

Jason, Goro and Kitana all in D-tier? Not likely. Unstoppable has become pretty good with the buffs. Unstoppable and Relentless are reliant on tick throws yes, but know that B1~DBF2 is plus on hit so Jason can basically 50/50 you with B1~tick or B12. Besides that, damage boost breaking armor is mad good and at LEAST puts Unstoppable in B, although even that would be downplaying a bit.

Goro is kind of reliant on the player being good at conditioning, but Goro is extremely overlooked in my opinion. He is far better than people realize and sure isn't D-tier. Good damage, EX-punchwalk is one of the best moves in the game, he is barely punishable and his corner game is quite good as well.

Kitana is an odd one for me. D-tier is far too harsh, I'd say at least B. Fans give her good space control and help her slow down the match immensely. Don't know enough about Kitana though.

C-tier Shinnok is a joke. It's kind of ironic that the world's best Shinnok player downplays his character so much. Hellsparks with the sweet plus frames, Impostor with the sweet vortex and teleport, Bone Shaper with the zoning and F41D2... Come on Wound.

 

[PND OmegaK]

why no matchup chart instead of these stupid tier lists

Matchup charts aren't easy to digest meme fodder.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Obvious troll bait is obvious. This is almost as bad as yungmonster's original Jacqui match up threads.

 

[OfficialYungmonster]

Since TYM has been rather dead lately

These tier lists are the reason why

 

[OfficialYungmonster]

Obvious troll bait is obvious. This is almost as bad as yungmonster's original Jacqui match up threads.

Troll * threads

 

[Saltea Moonspell]

I think Tier list should be based on opinion a group of best players up to date at the round table. Variations should be considered as well since they change a lot in some characters structure.

 

[KingHippo]

A lot of people are saying troll post, but I don't see a whole lot of people actually willing to fight it on its own merit.

Why wouldn't Kitana be one of the dirt worst in the game? Her game essentially consists of tossing fans which isn't going to lead to much damage without jumping, and even then, the fireballs don't do much to set up her offense, which consists of...nothing, really. Throws and sweep? Cool...

She has a decent armored reversal and a pretty good X-Ray, but it doesn't seem like she has much to offer besides that beyond some decent damage (and that's all it is now, it's completely average) and mildly irritating air mobility. I would even submit her actual mid range tools aren't even that great; her run is average and while her walkspeed is good, her tools to set up jumps are her f1 string and d1, which will probably hit no one and are outranged by the majority of the cast who steamroll that with actually good strings. I don't get it.

 

[Zionix]

The EU tier list was better.

Also if A-list isn't number 1 because of +17 after F3 then the tier list just isn't good.

Loved it regardless and love the bantz from people trying to justify positions.

 

[Zionix]

A lot of people are saying troll post, but I don't see a whole lot of people actually willing to fight it on its own merit.

Why wouldn't Kitana be one of the dirt worst in the game? Her game essentially consists of tossing fans which isn't going to lead to much damage without jumping, and even then, the fireballs don't do much to set up her offense, which consists of...nothing, really. Throws and sweep? Cool...

She has a decent armored reversal and a pretty good X-Ray, but it doesn't seem like she has much to offer besides that beyond some decent damage (and that's all it is now, it's completely average) and mildly irritating air mobility. I would even submit her actual mid range tools aren't even that great; her run is average and while her walkspeed is good, her tools to set up jumps are her f1 string and d1, which will probably hit no one and are outranged by the majority of the cast who steamroll that with actually good strings. I don't get it.

Because Bo exists he is the most ass of all! (according to TYM I have no affiliation with Bo or his trademarks)

 

[Pan1cMode]

A lot of people are saying troll post, but I don't see a whole lot of people actually willing to fight it on its own merit.

Why wouldn't Kitana be one of the dirt worst in the game? Her game essentially consists of tossing fans which isn't going to lead to much damage without jumping, and even then, the fireballs don't do much to set up her offense, which consists of...nothing, really. Throws and sweep? Cool...

She has a decent armored reversal and a pretty good X-Ray, but it doesn't seem like she has much to offer besides that beyond some decent damage (and that's all it is now, it's completely average) and mildly irritating air mobility. I would even submit her actual mid range tools aren't even that great; her run is average and while her walkspeed is good, her tools to set up jumps are her f1 string and d1, which will probably hit no one and are outranged by the majority of the cast who steamroll that with actually good strings. I don't get it.

Mileena's placement, johnny's placement, Shinnok's placement, Jax's placement, Jason's placement, predator's placment, sun zero's placement, Kenshi's placement; there is a whole lot more than just kitana's placement wrong with this list.

Not to mention the "let the salt flow", it's obviously a troll thread haha.

 

[thlityoursloat]

I wish Kenshi was better than Shinnok and Jax better than freaking Mileena.

 

[KingHippo]

Mileena's placement, johnny's placement, Shinnok's placement, Jax's placement, Jason's placement, predator's placment, sun zero's placement, Kenshi's placement; there is a whole lot more than just kitana's placement wrong with this list.

Not to mention the "let the salt flow", it's obviously a troll thread haha.

Tag him and ask.

@cR WoundCowboy

 

[snort]

This is clearly bait but I'm biting because I like seeing downplaying.

C-tier Shinnok is a joke. It's kind of ironic that the world's best Shinnok player downplays his character so much. Hellsparks with the sweet plus frames, Impostor with the sweet vortex and teleport, Bone Shaper with the zoning and F41D2... Come on Wound.

Hell sparks cost meter to be +, its a whopping -22 when not MB. Impostor vortex could be nice but his mixup game is shitty, he only has what, 3 strings to work with? 112, f224,1123? and he has zero + strings for any type of pressure. His teleport can be punished with d2 easy, or if you predict it you can NJP for full combo. His overhead is -11 on block and can be punshed for an easy full combo. Shinnok is a good char but not a beast.

 

[Gofer_MK]

Controversial xD

 

[TamedLizard]

You know, in all honesty, a lot of these make more sense when you're considering all variations.

Shinnok does have weak damage outside of Imposter. But there are still some placements that are questionable to say the least lol.

 

[shura30]

Tier list should be based on opinion

wtf
hell no

matchup charts is where's at

Matchup charts aren't easy to digest meme fodder.

too bad

 

[ArmedCalf]

Anyone who think's Shinnok is just okay has never played a Shinnok that doesn't even let you get off the fucking ground (EDIT: that wasn't directed at Wound, he already knows all about that.) These are the placements that I'm currently wondering about and would like a tiny bit more info just so I can figure out where they're coming from:

Jax in S tier (lower?)
Tremor in A tier (why?)
Jacqui and Ermac in B tier (higher?)
Shinnok in C tier (MUCH higher?)
Tanya and Kenshi in B tier ( Tanya I agree might be a teensy tiny bit unexplored but Kenshi?)

 

[The Farmer]

 

[BunLantern]

Goro, Jason and Kitana aren't bad enough to deserve their own tier.

Edit: Not saying they're ever going to win anything, they just aren't THAT bad.

 

[SewerRat]

I have never seen any analytical discussions on Test Your Might about character match-ups which include distance of moves, frames, movement speed, damage, etc. All I ever see is this is "cancer", or this is "stupid." How can we have opinions if we refuse to break it down?

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

A lot of people are saying troll post, but I don't see a whole lot of people actually willing to fight it on its own merit.

Why wouldn't Kitana be one of the dirt worst in the game? Her game essentially consists of tossing fans which isn't going to lead to much damage without jumping, and even then, the fireballs don't do much to set up her offense, which consists of...nothing, really. Throws and sweep? Cool...

She has a decent armored reversal and a pretty good X-Ray, but it doesn't seem like she has much to offer besides that beyond some decent damage (and that's all it is now, it's completely average) and mildly irritating air mobility. I would even submit her actual mid range tools aren't even that great; her run is average and while her walkspeed is good, her tools to set up jumps are her f1 string and d1, which will probably hit no one and are outranged by the majority of the cast who steamroll that with actually good strings. I don't get it.

Months ago when Sonic Fox won multiple majors with Kitana and everyone was like "omg she's overbuffed this bitch is S tier". That's funny
NEC16 when he won Slayer's Kung Jin, that was the worst version of Kitana
Current Kitana is still the same. All the nerfs the got were 3-4% less damage on her combos. They even buffed her d3 to 6f and greatly improved Assasin (if you don't respect Assasin's frame you die in 2 combos)
Talking about matchups, she does well against everyone, except Predator. No she's not like "all that bitch can do is throwing fans". She zones anyone who has hard time approaching, if she can't zone she can play footsie very well and does good chip in all 3 variations. She also has the tools to frustrate impatient play and open people up. She has no mixup, but go back watching NEC16 grand finals and count how many combos Slayer ate.
She's good, she's at Scorpion's tier

 

[THTB]

When is the last time you played this game? lol

Like a week ago.

 

[M.D.]

Johnny down a tier and we're good.

 

[ArmedCalf]

Johnny down a tier and we're good.

The audacity, I just threw up in my mouth please elaborate

 

[Red Reaper]

Yeah that's the point. Any character with good "defense" also has offense to back it up if they are worth anything.

The same kan be said the other way around though... Characters with good offense and shitty defense don't do that well either.

My point is that it's kind of like saying the obvious, that characters with everything are better than characters that only specialize on one aspect of the game.