Question - Cyber Sub-Zero Cyber Sub-Zero...Is he too Strong? Brief Overview

[Infamous]

According to the majority of you all, Tanya was the poster child for broke. Foxy even said Cyb is nothing like Tanya.

He is fine. Adapt. Grind it out.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

If only NRS could learn to get characters right the first time.

Wishy washy a holes

 

[Solid]

1 meter 54% mid screen from basically easy hard to block setup

Lol... tech roll back dash. Please go through the thread before posting nonsense.

 

[Gilbagz]

I hate to be the party pooper, but it should be obvious that the Cyborgs have a glaring weakness.

Play against a smart player that punishes properly, and you will see that they clearly have tons of gaps in strings and a shocking lack of a decent mid (and don't say F4, as its -10 and the next hit is high and fully punishable, meaning you have to always spend a bar of meter on something you can't hit confirm)

I am calling it now, the only Cyborg that will be left once the dust settles among people playing them now is Sektor and even he isnt brain dead or "broken DLC". Cyrax, Smoke and Sub will all take serious work to actually use and have absolutely no pick up and play ability.

People are looking at combos and hard to block-ables and thinking its a shut case for DLC, but in actual gameplay, and getting chances to set up those scenarios, they don't come easy.

THIS!

 

[THTB]

Yeah, Glue is pretty right about Triborg's issues. No good mids for most of the variations sucks (Smoke has a couple good mids, though, so he's good!), and quite a few strings have gaps (though the main ones I'm using don't really have gaps outside of 1112).

 

[Wigy]

I understand you play Johnny Cage, but dang dude, for everyone else F4 is a great mid lol.

Its -10 and the followup you can full punishnwith a normal. Its hardly good, though i suppose it serves its purpose of making people respect him on frame and not just poking

 

[Tweedy]

Its -10 and the followup you can full punishnwith a normal. Its hardly good, though i suppose it serves its purpose of making people respect him on frame and not just poking

Yeah, I still don't see it. Good mids typically don't go into tremendous pressure or staggers. Seems like you've just been spoiled from having the best mid in the game. Triborg's is likely top 5 lol.

 

[Wigy]

Yeah, I still don't see it. Good mids typically don't go into tremendous pressure or staggers. Seems like you've just been spoiled from having the best mid in the game. Triborg's is likely top 5 lol.

Jeez chill the shit out with jc you salty man.

F4 is -10 and you have to special cancel to be safe unless you are punishing with it. Its alright but not good. F2 gets low profiled by everything. His d1 gets low profiled. His d3 has no range. His d4 has no range. Have you even played triborg. He seems strong but struggles in poking/footsies it would seem.

Oh and NO ARMOUR with cyrax. His wakeup ex teleport can be stuffed by single hit. He genuinely has the worst armour in the game hands down. At least blood god has a parry.

Not to say cyrax aint good but just putting this out there cause all the idiots wanting nerfs, hes very honest. He only shines on meterless damage really.

 

[RM NoBrows]

Yay, more Quan-esque "50/50s"

That's what happens when you get a character nerfed in NRS. Make another character who has the same thing but easier to do and has 5 different ways of doing it. You all brought this on yourselves, and for that I am picking up cyber sub today.

 

[GreatKungLao]

His B3 (low) and B2 (overhead) both can combo into normal ice ball midscreen = 50/50 combo starters.

 

[Error]

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whose downplaying? lmao tf. thats how he was in mk9. nothing about him has really changed drastically. nobody even cared about him enough in mk9 so this stuff isn't new

CSZ was awful in MK9, slow iceball, worst teleport than cyrax, weakest divekick in the game, only decent poke was d3, couldn't dash in and press 33/34 or he'd throw a bomb, and bombs only worked in some scenarios + invincible wake-ups made his oki no where near what it looks like now. I'm not saying he's broken yet, but he's way better in this game then the incomplete mess he was in MK9.

 

[I AM MOSSBERG]

I sense there will be "NRS Pride" with CSZ. I do not believe they will nerf him that bad, if at all. With that said, I'm officially picking him up too.

Lao is dead to me. The guy has nothing to compete with this batch of DLC.

 

[MadMagician86]

Everyone chill. Let's just wait and see how REO does with CSZ at Final Round before we start throwing around words like "broken" or "OP" etc...

 

[Kickbykick]

I still think they have to nerf he and cyrax's low bomb into b3 d4, that thing is super cheap

 

[Dankster Morgan]

I still think they have to nerf he and cyrax's low bomb into b3 d4, that thing is super cheap

I think we should let the character develop for a bit as people get more used to this.

 

[Kickbykick]

I think we should let the character develop for a bit as people get more used to this.

Yh, that also works.

 

[Tweedy]

Jeez chill the shit out with jc you salty man.

F4 is -10 and you have to special cancel to be safe unless you are punishing with it. Its alright but not good. F2 gets low profiled by everything. His d1 gets low profiled. His d3 has no range. His d4 has no range. Have you even played triborg. He seems strong but struggles in poking/footsies it would seem.

Oh and NO ARMOUR with cyrax. His wakeup ex teleport can be stuffed by single hit. He genuinely has the worst armour in the game hands down. At least blood god has a parry.

Not to say cyrax aint good but just putting this out there cause all the idiots wanting nerfs, hes very honest. He only shines on meterless damage really.

1. You can't even spell armor, so how do you know whether he has armor or not? lol

2. I guess I can't expect a Johnny Cage player to understand how slightly flawed mids can be used.

3. Quote where I said that I wanted him to get nerfed. You're downplaying a great mid, because you're clearly spoiled by the best mid in the game.

4. F1 and F4. How does this character struggle in footsies? 7 frame poke, so he struggles in poking? Spoiled BOYZ.

 

[The Celebrity]

1. You can't even spell armor, so how do you know whether he has armor or not? lol

Wow, biggest case of MURICA!!!! yet

How can anyone take you seriously after you say that lol.

 

[Gilbagz]

1. You can't even spell armor, so how do you know whether he has armor or not? lol

2. I guess I can't expect a Johnny Cage player to understand how slightly flawed mids can be used.

3. Quote where I said that I wanted him to get nerfed. You're downplaying a great mid, because you're clearly spoiled by the best mid in the game.

4. F1 and F4. How does this character struggle in footsies? 7 frame poke, so he struggles in poking? Spoiled BOYZ.

Trying to keep it civil here
F1 is great in footsies
F4 is being heavily over rated though imo
F42 is +2 which is awesome, but it is mid high. Any time you commit to this string, you're taking a huge risk.
They can neutral duck the 2 and full combo punish you.
Maybe you can stagger at the f4, but f4 alone is -14 iirc so will be still be punished.
The only thing you can potentially do to catch people is f4 slide, which will catch the neutral duck for extremely low reward while being full combo punishable still.

F4 has good range, but its an all in move. Its not something that should be used a lot in neutral unless its a whiff punish, or a hard read on low profiling buttons. And honestly I don't think, csz should have a good mid. He has other great tools, so he needs some weakness somewhere. The ice bombs are what hold this character together, so he should have gaps and should need an ice bomb to cover those gaps.

 

[Tweedy]

Trying to keep it civil here
F1 is great in footsies
F4 is being heavily over rated though imo
F42 is +2 which is awesome, but it is mid high. Any time you commit to this string, you're taking a huge risk.
They can neutral duck the 2 and full combo punish you.
Maybe you can stagger at the f4, but f4 alone is -14 iirc so will be still be punished.
The only thing you can potentially do to catch people is f4 slide, which will catch the neutral duck for extremely low reward while being full combo punishable still.

F4 has good range, but its an all in move. Its not something that should be used a lot in neutral unless its a whiff punish, or a hard read on low profiling buttons. And honestly I don't think, csz should have a good mid. He has other great tools, so he needs some weakness somewhere. The ice bombs are what hold this character together, so he should have gaps and should need an ice bomb to cover those gaps.

I'm sorry, i'm seriously trying to be playful in my parts that I guess are coming off as hostile. I didn't seriously mean that Cyrax has armor because he didn't spell it right.

 

[Gilbagz]

I'm sorry, i'm seriously trying to be playful in my parts that I guess are coming off as hostile. I didn't seriously mean that Cyrax has armor because he didn't spell it right.

haha nah all good, just didnt want to come off as an ass for saying the stuff about csz f4
imo its not very good

 

[Wigy]

1. You can't even spell armor, so how do you know whether he has armor or not? lol

2. I guess I can't expect a Johnny Cage player to understand how slightly flawed mids can be used.

3. Quote where I said that I wanted him to get nerfed. You're downplaying a great mid, because you're clearly spoiled by the best mid in the game.

4. F1 and F4. How does this character struggle in footsies? 7 frame poke, so he struggles in poking? Spoiled BOYZ.

Man. You're clearly just butthurt and havent touched the character. His d1 gets low profiled savagely by a lot of d3's.

your entire argument is 'you play johnny cage' you're either an idiot or so butthurt you're lying to yourself.

Its unsafe and the followup second hit is duckable/full punish with armour or normals. That means you need to comit to a special just to use it safely if someone knows the matchup. Do explain how thats better than jax's f2 d'voras f1 ronins 2 or b1 etc etc considering you're saying its a top 3 mid. I'm going to stop replying cause your entire argument is 'hahah you spelt that wors wrong and you cant comment cos jc'. Moron.

Stay salty tho.

 

[Azmodeus]

this thread makes me cringe... It's day fucking 2, so not every setup, combo, or matchup has been found, not every WEAKNESS has been found either . Before we all start crying for nerfs, why don't we see how hard it is to get out of these setups and how hard it is to set them up?

 

[Youphemism]

1. You can't even spell armor, so how do you know whether he has armor or not? lol

Hey come on now there's no need for borderline xenophobia, that's how armour is spelled in Britain.

 

[Scott The Scot]

Hey come on now there's no need for borderline xenophobia, that's how armour is spelled in Britain.

I had to google the definition of Xenophobia... Was disappointed. Expected Aliens.