Who in your opinion is the best character in the entire game ?

[MrSoloLobo]

Quan Chi's vortex off of d3 guarantees the low so he can make you respect it and then use the overhead. It is very shades of pre-patch Shinnok's vortex except this time it leads to massive damage without meter. His njp is crazy and an underrated anti air. His damage is insane and his zoning is great. Imo all of this and more far overweighs his poor defense and he is the best.

 

[BillStickers]

Quan Chi's vortex off of d3 guarantees the low so he can make you respect it and then use the overhead. It is very shades of pre-patch Shinnok's vortex except this time it leads to massive damage without meter. His njp is crazy and an underrated anti air. His damage is insane and his zoning is great. Imo all of this and more far overweighs his poor defense and he is the best.

ew why are you that close to him? back up gurl.

 

[just_2swift]

Why is everyone on kung Laos dick right now. Yeah he is good. But what you should realize no matter how much you nerf him or alter him tweak him or whatever he is and will always be top 5 by design. With all the bull shit in the game right now lao shouldn't even be whispered about outside of j2. He is the most honest top tier character in the game right now. Like seriously if you get opened up by Lao that's on you. Wait till some broke DLC character appears then it will be like "who can save us?" Lao going to be like "*sips tea* that's none of my biz naz"

 

[just_2swift]

Nice argument. 10/10.

Haha I lol'd at "nice argument"

 

[Tweedy]

I can see JC potentially being S tier but not better than Lao as he loses too Kang, Tanya and Lao across all variations

Kotal? I can't see it, maybe I'm underrating him

Why do you think Alist loses to Tempest? I've actually grinded this match up a lot with KHTC Basher on xbox who is a pretty good Alist. I feel like the match up is 5/5. Obviously we're super average players in comparison to the top guys with the characters.

I'm also curious about Tanya, but I haven't grinded that match up.

 

[Spencer]

Idk I want to say Kung Lao but the only thing stopping Quan Chi from being Super Saiyan Tier is him not having a Wake Up so I'm just going to say their Equal.

 

[GAV]

You'll always be playing an unfinished product regardless of whether you buff the low tier or nerf the top tier. Buffing the low tier is a better idea sometimes in some games, but not MKX. In MKX the top tier are rewarded a ton for their 50/50s and their guessing game block pressure that they can get started very easily.

The low and mid tiers are much more honest and take more skill, so it's better for the game to make the top tier closer to them rather than buffing the low tier to be on Kung Lao's level. Also, buffing the less viable characters in this game would take more work because they would require tons of changes while most of the top tier can be easily normalized with very small tweaks.

...but buffing the lower characters doesn't put off players who put in work to learn a character that suddenly gets weakened.

Kung Lao is good, but not broken - so I can see no good reason to fix something that isn't broken.

 

[GAV]

I can see JC potentially being S tier but not better than Lao as he loses too Kang, Tanya and Lao across all variations

Kotal? I can't see it, maybe I'm underrating him

This is where you use your judgment to see through an elite player's careful up-playing.

 

[GAV]

Sub Zero doesn't have bad Match ups? That can be debated with the argument "Once Sub gets them in the corner it should be finished."

But Johnny? Need some 'splainin'

Bring back pre-patch Fisticuffs!!!

 

[omooba]

You're salty because you clearly don't know anything about Cassie.

won't deny the salt but i know everything about cassu

I can too say his is better. It literally hit's from 3/4 screen... It has a disjointed hitbox, you can't even anti-air it at max range. Cassie's JIP isn't even top 5. QC, KL, Sonya, Kj, Kotal... I would trade any special in the game for lao's spin. It's 7 frames anti airs, has a massive hitbox. Flip is only 1 frame faster, far less consistent at anti-airing, and has a much smaller hitbox in a trade off for safety. Like I said before, great character but you're up playing the shit out of her.

Bullshit
My roommate literally started playing her rather than kung lao because her anti air required slower reaction. Most of the time he doesn't even ex it and it beats my kotal's jip
dude she's broke aight she broke lol

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Dude Jax, Subzero, Liu Kang, Johnny Cage, and Kotal Kahn are all characters that can debatable have 0 losing matchups. And if any of those characters do have bad matchups, it's probably 2 or less.

There's so many good characters in this game it's impossible to make a top 10 list. There are like 17 characters that could be debatable top 10

can we talk about this seriously!!!

Take away the trash people "think" about their mains and open up the playbook. Could kotal have zero losing MU? Does sub wreck most of the cast? Are Jax and Cage just as good as Kang or Tanya?

I mean. I can't say they aren't. The game is so new still and there is so much to be tested. There is a whole new patch coming too!!

I could be convinced of what your saying.

 

[Pterodactyl]

I swear if Lao is still this ridiculous in MK11...

 

[EntropicByDesign]

In a fit of annoyance I uninstalled all my fighting games so I can see what I miss the most / what I have the strongest desire to actually play (my total lack of focus the last couple months has made me worse at every game I play, I was a better player two months ago).. But if MKX makes the cut and gets reinstalled (it probably will), I'm just going to learn Lao, and stop being a pussy. I'm not gonna lie, I don't play him becauae losing with the best character in the game makes me feel like garbage, lol

Fucker has everything AND Ive liked him since the first day I picked up the game. I didn't play him then because I couldn't RC and by the time I could RC he was so universally considered 'da bestest' that I felt like I'd be tier whoring to pick him up.

Someone PM me the absolute most important damn combos I should know =\

 

[RTM2004]

Kung Lao has everything you could possibly want in a character therefore he is the best.

Tanya is Top 3 with Quan Chi hard to differentiate who is better than the other.

 

[Goat-City]

...but buffing the lower characters doesn't put off players who put in work to learn a character that suddenly gets weakened.

Kung Lao is good, but not broken - so I can see no good reason to fix something that isn't broken.

So? First of all the top tiers in this game only need extremely minor adjustments. I even have 2 univeral adjustments that would almost normalize all of them fairly, so top tier using players would not have to relearn their characters at all. Lol that's such an ass pull, baseless, and unjustified argument. And to further disprove your point, as I've said, the low and mid tier characters would require many more changes that would in many cases be much more drastic and less obvious in terms of why they would need to be made specifically. So by your logic, not only would people who play low tier characters have to spend tons of time relearning them, but it would take even more time than it would for top tier character players to relearn their characters if they were nerfed, which makes your argument moot on all levels.

 

[ArmedCalf]

can we talk about this seriously!!!

Take away the trash people "think" about their mains and open up the playbook. Could kotal have zero losing MU? Does sub wreck most of the cast? Are Jax and Cage just as good as Kang or Tanya?

I mean. I can't say they aren't. The game is so new still and there is so much to be tested. There is a whole new patch coming too!!

I could be convinced of what your saying.

Ooh lemme take a stab at this.

Yes Sub wrecks most of the cast. Clone in the corner turns even MU's into 7-3's and Sub is one of the characters that best forces you to play his game. Kotal having no losing MU's? I mean I suppose the Sun God/ War God combo makes it believable but I feel he'd lose to anyone with better midscreen tools? Johnny doesn't have the air game that Tanya or Lao has but his pressure is just as good. Same with Jax.

Imo of course

 

[M2Dave]

Wow, surprised Kung Lao took this so easily over Quan.

Quan is broke in my opinion. Kung Lao best in the game being a pressure character is pretty hypocritical of TYM with all the rage about 50/50's.

Cassie still being upplayed despite not seeing the results even to this day baffles me.

But Quan Chi has the results? Who? Michael Angelo? Fair enough. King? He counter picks at least half the time. Besides, he has been more successful with Kung Lao and Predator. Dinky? He usually places just outside the top 8. Anyone else?

Quan Chi is the "best" character nobody really wants to use because they do not want to block for an eternity against characters like D'Vorah, Johnny, Kung Lao, Tanya, etc. He is definitely top tier yet massively overrated. The offense is insane in this game. You need armor because you cannot block forever.

 

[BrobaChett]

I seriously think summoner quan or tanya take the top spot for this. Yeah, I'm a tempest Lao player, but I honestly think summoner is pretty ridiculous at times. Tanya, meh. Offline she is easier to deal with, but online she is dumb as shit. Whatever, though. Give me an offline scene and i'll have more to really say, but from my personal experiences offline and online with both characters I've mentioned are better than Lao. Flip a coin, bruh.

 

[BrobaChett]

Actually, I take back everything I previously said. Tremor is the best character in the game. I want @General M2Dave to call me a fucking fool for once.

 

[KimCheeze]

Everybodys saying tempest lao is the best and im just sitting here struggling to win with him... Fml im so garbage with him

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I have this same problem with Cassie lol.. I understand in theory how good she is and yet.. when I try to take my game online... i lose more than i win. FML

 

[Big Pampering]

Why is everyone on kung Laos dick right now. Yeah he is good. But what you should realize no matter how much you nerf him or alter him tweak him or whatever he is and will always be top 5 by design. With all the bull shit in the game right now lao shouldn't even be whispered about outside of j2. He is the most honest top tier character in the game right now. Like seriously if you get opened up by Lao that's on you. Wait till some broke DLC character appears then it will be like "who can save us?" Lao going to be like "*sips tea* that's none of my biz naz"

uhh its actually very easy to move kung lao to midtier with a few tweaks...

 

[Phosferrax]

You're only minus 3. Most characters cannot get a guaranteed mid string out because their mid string can still get interrupted by your d4. Which means they often have to go for a poke after hat spin on block, and if you just block that poke its your turn again.

The armor stuff youre talking about makes no sense. Yes you can armor, you can armor all stagger strings and that isnt even a kung lao thing. Just because it isn't guaranteed doesn't mean its not useful, it means its not broken. Im sorry you have to mix it up and not be predictable. Are you really telling people to armor everytime after blocking a move that is -1.

Also you need to mixup 112124 ex hat spin as well, you cant just go for the guaranteed d4 everytime... The other options besides d4 arent guaranteed, does that mean those arent viable options as well?

Dear god thank you. A Kung Lao main who understands that -3 is not a complete forfeit of your turn.

'Bruh he's minus 3, he shouldn't get away with anything after that' LOL.

 

[God Confirm]

You're only minus 3. Most characters cannot get a guaranteed mid string out because their mid string can still get interrupted by your d4. Which means they often have to go for a poke after hat spin on block, and if you just block that poke its your turn again.

The armor stuff youre talking about makes no sense. Yes you can armor, you can armor all stagger strings and that isnt even a kung lao thing. Just because it isn't guaranteed doesn't mean its not useful, it means its not broken. Im sorry you have to mix it up and not be predictable. Are you really telling people to armor everytime after blocking a move that is -1.

Also you need to mixup 112124 ex hat spin as well, you cant just go for the guaranteed d4 everytime... The other options besides d4 arent guaranteed, does that mean those arent viable options as well?

he didn't say you can get a guaranteed mid string, he said that you have to MAKE the Lao player RESPECT the -3 frames , that doesn't mean he can never go anywhere with it, or that you get a guaranteed mid string (any mid 10f or quicker however, and 11f trades favourably with a poke), it just means that he is at a disadvantage, and if you don't make them respect that at all its your own fault
Don't get me wrong, Tempest biggest strength is without a doubt that hat spin, -3 on everything, he's great at getting his turn back when he shouldn't it's what makes the character so strong, but He didn't say it was bad from what I read

Regardless Tempest is ridiculous and needs nerfs IMO

 

[Youphemism]

I personally think the best variation is Summoner Quan but I think the best character is Predator. That's just me though

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

Should've included Johnny Cage... Lao and quan chi are the most broke though.

*Reads "should've included johnny cage"* Give this lady a nope