Phosferrax
Original Liu Kang cop.
Just because he didn't win everything doesn't mean he didn't make waves. He was a seriously good character, people are high if they're pretending that he wasn't all that.
Just because he didn't win everything doesn't mean he didn't make waves. He was a seriously good character, people are high if they're pretending that he wasn't all that.
Ending with Dark Beam is +8 on hit. f4 has 7 frames of start-up. No meter required jailing.
Never mind winning, he didn't even place well in the few tournaments we had before he was nerfed. How is that making waves? If anything it was all just speculation and theory fighting.
Posted May 7, 2015. Suck my dick, TYM!!
For as good as both players are every shinnok just needs to block low and stay safe to beat kitana, don't take risks duck kitana's fans and react to her mids. Kitana is not a good character, sonic fox is just extremely talented.
This is what I've been asking from the start, for some evidence, he's ignoring this and saying the words but providing none. I can provide evidence of practically any any other top tier character back then being top tier, if there is evidence of Sub being top tier why doesn't he provide some?
So you are admitting you have nothing to support this claim and it's merely your opinion? If you didn't have anything to support it I don't know why you have bothered to contest this, the statement was never that he wasn't top tier, just that there is no actual evidence of him being top tier so I didn't want to use him as an example seeing as it's a highly debatable topic to which one sides has absolutely no supporting evidence as you just proved.
I forgot about that. Still, it's not as bad as people think it is.
Bruh are you forgetting the GGA invitational
But the evidence for Hell Fire was just MIT?
You saw its potential, Bill. You have the sight.
That was before Boneshaper got buffed. I think Boneshaper was always the best variation, but not a million times better. On a scale of 1-10 pre patch, I believe it was Necro - 4, Imposter - 6, Boneshaper - 7. Post patches: Necro - 7, Imposter - 8, Boneshaper - 9.
And Hellfires prominence and placings. These 3 things are probably enough and INFINITELY more than Sub-Zero has which is absolutely nothing, which is evidence that supports him NOT being to per tier more than anything. But regardless I never said that there was evidence of hellfire being top tier and getting nerfed, you said that and are taking the fact that I didn't disagree with it as me agreeing, I simply didn't comment yet so you can't use this as a counter
Exactly.
You made the mistake of disagreeing with me that day, but no worries; all is forgiven. The all-seeing eye blesses you once more.
The words you're looking for are, "omg u were totes right Bill!"
You can already backdash everything but the low
And I love how the Sub Zero community always gets blamed for it, when in reality it's always his haters. I said that I didn't want to use Sub Zero as an example simply because I wanted to avoid someone starting this argument about him being top tier when it's really all just opinions that we've all heard a million times, with absolutely no supporting evidence. In response, someone singles out the fact that I asked NOT to use him as an example because of this reason (out of post making a completely different statement relevant to the thread) shares his opinion that sub-zero is top tier with no supporting evidence, the argument begins as usual, and now of course:
We have posts like this.
It is foolish to assume that a character requires good tournament placements to be classified as top tier, just as it is to assume that theory fighting determines how good a character is. Think where Cyrax, Batgirl and Kenshi were a month into their respective lives. Also bare in mind that the character was a month old before he got nerfed.
I remember you told Pig and I that no top player will place with shinnok. lolol
Sure, but while he may have very well been top tier, it's highly subjective and a topic of hot debate unlike virtually any other example, and it also has no supporting tournament evidence unlike virtually every other example, hence why I didn't think it was a good impartial example.
That reminds me that I still need to make a blowup thread for you for the time you said that d4~ms cancel loops in mk9 were a gimmick.
I said that before his most recent changes, like the Deity string being cancelable and such....
