General/Other - Ferra/Torr Ferra & Torr General Discussion Thread

[MadeFromMetal]

D4 if you think they will block for continued frame advantage or if you just want to create space and back them off of you, D1 if you want to interrupt pressure and start yours. D4, then followed up with 4 2+4 is a great way to get some pushback and 4 2+4 is also plus 2, even though it leaves you with no Ferra, it gives you time to do that Lackey D1 if they think they can still get in now that Ferra is off you

And what about in Lackey?

 

[Wetdoba]

And what about in Lackey?

Footsies and since its plus 2 on block you can follow up with D1 if they do something without armor, if they block afterwards and respect the plus frames you can d1xxcommand grab tick throw. Of course using it to low profile under highs still works too.

 

[chrisofrays]

With vicious what could I do Vs D4 happy Subs? Also what are you guys using as a punish for EX slide and the overhead hammers? Having alot of fun with Vicious they are my main now. but some matchups, Mainly Lao are so hard.

 

[MadeFromMetal]

Footsies and since its plus 2 on block you can follow up with D1 if they do something without armor, if they block afterwards and respect the plus frames you can d1xxcommand grab tick throw. Of course using it to low profile under highs still works too.

Thanks a lot, man. I'll be working on this, later.

 

[chrisofrays]

New balanced kenshi is pretty tough to get in on! Cant really counter zone with vicious. Though the slide trade is better damage. Looking forward to cracking this one haha

 

[Wetdoba]

New balanced kenshi is pretty tough to get in on! Cant really counter zone with vicious. Though the slide trade is better damage. Looking forward to cracking this one haha

Dont forget you can still neutral duck the teleflurry!

 

[chrisofrays]

Dont forget you can still neutral duck the teleflurry!

Haha awesome. That makes thinks a bit easier lol

 

[CJKRattlehead]

what caused this to happen and can I make it happen more often?

 

[Jaku2011]

what caused this to happen and can I make it happen more often?

Might be a testyourluck thing

 

[Alien Substance]

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what caused this to happen and can I make it happen more often?

Jaku is correct. The match had an Explosive Kombat modifier that causes the losing kombatant to explode upon defeat.

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Jaku is correct. The match had an Explosive Kombat modifier that causes the losing kombatant to explode upon defeat.

so that's what that modifier does thanks, figured it was random stryker grenades or something

 

[Alien Substance]

so that's what that modifier does thanks, figured it was random stryker grenades or something

Yeah. You're welcome!

 

[chrisofrays]

Was told that I play a discusting style. Some people dont know what to do when their zoning doesn't work

 

[Doombawkz]

Was told that I play a discusting style. Some people dont know what to do when their zoning doesn't work

disgusting, and also yeah when the main plan fails people lose face pretty quick.

 

[Doombawkz]

what caused this to happen and can I make it happen more often?

Looks damn cool.

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Looks damn cool.

yeah wish it wasn't just test your luck and could actually recreate it in games, would be my new favorite brutal

 

[chrisofrays]

disgusting, and also yeah when the main plan fails people lose face pretty quick.

Yeah, I tried to give some tips after our matches and recomended a inferno vortex video but they refused and said that the video is the only reason i won......?? Lol

 

[CJKRattlehead]

posted this in another thread felt it belonged here for new comers to F/T

Vicious

PROS

Spoiler

• Great footsies
• safe 50/50s
• good pressure with Ferra toss
• great anti-zoning
• Probably the least meter dependent character in the game
• longest range NJP in the game
• best sweep in the game
• great corner pressure
• Ferra toss is + on block (not positive if it's the same on all characters but I've heard it's +3, although against characters like kotal and jax it feels more like +1 or maybe neutral on block)
• additional hit on charge, can be meterburned for additional damage (helped me close off a lot of games)
• 11(2+4) has better recovery

CONS

Spoiler

• short range d3
• slow d1 (with ferra on your back)
• less than optimal anti airs
• poor run speed
• probably the lowest damage in the game with no way to increase damage significantly with meter outside of X-ray
• weak punishes with B121
• terrible uppercut
• giant hitbox
• inconsistent ferra toss on smaller hitbox characters
• Ferra toss can be armoured through when canceled from block strings
• 11(2+4) is -10 (from -4 on lackey)

Lackey

PROS

Spoiler

• Best d1 in the game (longest range at 6f startup)
• Tic throws
• meterless armour
• good damage
• hard knockdown oki setups
• decent anti-airs
• safe specials if spaced properly
• bf3 has projectile immunity on start up
• armoured launcher
• better b3(2+4) (safe and better oki)
• Better choice than vicious in some specific matchups
• 4 hits of armour (+1 on startup? haven't tested) on ex charge
• B23(2+4) can be hitconfirmed easily (-2 frames at b23 so your pressure doesn't always end at a blocked overhead)
• 11(2+4) is -4 (from -10 on Vicious)

CONS

Spoiler

• Average pressure at best
• B23(2+4) is -10 on block (-6 with vicious)
• B23(2+4) has slower startup at 23 frames (19 with vicious)
• giant hitbox
• poor runspeed
• no projectiles
• terrible uppercut
• 11(2+4) has slower recovery

For anyone interested in picking up F/T start with lackey as I feel it is more forgiving for learning the character, although over all I would say Vicious has better tools to work with.

EDIT: Probably gonna be editing this post a few times as I learn more about the character, anything I left out?

 

[MK Led]

Hey so recently the f2 glitch has been really annoying me, hopefully we can expect this to be fixed at some point? I assume it occurs because of something to do with the second hit of the move being too far away to connect, which is a bit weird. I would hope that's not how the move is meant to work, but I'm pretty sure it isn't (F/T still flips around to face the other direction for a few seconds, as if the opponent had actually been tossed over to the other side).

 

[Doombawkz]

Hey so recently the f2 glitch has been really annoying me, hopefully we can expect this to be fixed at some point? I assume it occurs because of something to do with the second hit of the move being too far away to connect, which is a bit weird. I would hope that's not how the move is meant to work, but I'm pretty sure it isn't (F/T still flips around to face the other direction for a few seconds, as if the opponent had actually been tossed over to the other side).

It has its uses but it would be better in total if it did launch.

 

[Phresh&Greedy]

Hey guys new to the thread, But I'm an absolute beast with ferra gonna post some vids in a min.1st Does any know about the frame trap in the corner? I can't figure it out but I know it can be done.2nd can any show the lackey vortex in action? And 3rd I need online practice with people that are actually good with ferra, it'll do wonders. My Xbox gamer tag is phreshngreedy. Here some qik tips with ferra didn't see it in the thread. Your 1,1*if it connects* is really a 50/50. For ex 11, f2, or 11, b2. Also if they're blocking your 11, immediately db2(HOLDBACK)Then 11 again or d1. It's 110% safe only thing can touch it is ex vortex Kung lao. Just some qik beasty tips with vicious variation. Somebody please help I'm try name be unbeatable with this GUY

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Hey guys new to the thread, But I'm an absolute beast with ferra gonna post some vids in a min.1st Does any know about the frame trap in the corner? I can't figure it out but I know it can be done.2nd can any show the lackey vortex in action

1. Only frame traps I know of with Ferra/torr are D4, standing 1, standing 4, low neutral jump kick, and ferra toss
2. Lackey doesn't have a true vortex as an armoured wake up will beat out your 50/50 and most F/T players I've seen opt for the damage instead of the charge oki as you sacrifice a good chunk of damage, I personally only go for it if my opponent is out of meter or I'm against Quan. Seems like the only video on TYM of that tech is the thread by parnak.

 

[CJKRattlehead]

has anyone got a use for f4?

 

[Phosferrax]

Hey guys, got some questions regarding Bran and Hodor.

What are you doing about punishes in Vicious/Ruthless if you can't f2?

I'm struggling figuring out the neutral game. F3 seems like a good tool but not getting much of it has me bummed.

In Lackey, is donkey Kong roll safe from further distances?

 

[Forr]

Best punish is 2xx ender depending on the variation but the damage is shit. So if you wanna gamble you can punish with 11 and then have enough advantage for a 50/50.

Lackey roll is safe from max ranges.