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But do you deny that FF needed F21 for pressure?Yes because I never needed to use F21 and I still do good against people
But do you deny that FF needed F21 for pressure?Yes because I never needed to use F21 and I still do good against people
FF didnt need F21 for pressure, me personalty really never used it and still did fineBut do you deny that FF needed F21 for pressure?
What do you guys wake up with? MB DB2?
EX DB2 and EX Dragon Kick are good wake-ups.What do you guys wake up with? MB DB2?
How can I be kidding myself if I never use it to begin with? Because I am not@WITNESS you're kidding yourself if you think that f21 isn't a noticeable nerf for FF. As has already been said, Dualist and DF have frame traps of their own, but FF losing it's only advantage string does take away from it. Life will still go one for him, but this nerf/frame data fix (whichever it was truly) has an impact on FF that the other variants do not feel as much.
I however don't disagree that a 9 frame mid should not be plus 2, but it would still work ok if it was neutral on hit, but no, now that it's minus 3 there isn't really any point to using it in FF. A useful tool has been taken away.
Saying he didn't get nerfed when f21 going from +2 to -3 is clearly a nerf to FF. It doesn't matter if you never used it, it was still a great option he had that is now sadly gone.How can I be kidding myself if I never use it to begin with? Because I am not
combos are in the combo thread, the last page has some corner combos for flame fist that are pretty simple.Can you guys tell me some bnbs for flame fist and General game plan
Now my favorite part, the parry, is actually a really good parry. catching anything but lows and jump attacks.
Nope, it's good. Alot of peole use it in the corner, the downside to B12 is that it has long recovery against delayed wake-ups.So am I crazy or is b12 ridiculously good for corner pressured? Fast, hits mid, cancelable, catches jumps for a full combo punish, b1 destroys armored wake-ups, and it's only -3.
That part about F213 still working on delayed wake-up is really good to know, I get blown up by those a lot. Ive also been throwing dragon kick mb into my game a lot because of the ridiculous block advantage. Its possible to take 40% off the opponent from chip alone by using f213, run cancels, and dragon kick meter burn with 3 metersNope, it's good. Alot of peole use it in the corner, the downside to B12 is that it has long recovery against delayed wake-ups.
F213~FB RC is also good on knockdown against the corner. If the opponent does delayed wake-up, he'll get up before the 3 comes out and you're like +10 on block.
You're on PC, I can tell.That part about F213 still working on delayed wake-up is really good to know, I get blown up by those a lot. Ive also been throwing dragon kick mb into my game a lot because of the ridiculous block advantage. Its possible to take 40% off the opponent from chip alone by using f213, run cancels, and dragon kick meter burn with 3 meters
Wow, I never knew about that. They didn't include it in the Tanya patch either. +2 kind of sucks, most moves I do will end up trading with their standing 1's I supposeYou're on PC, I can tell.
They nerfed Liu's Flying Kick MB a long time ago, on PC it's still +15 while on consoles it's +2.
Normally, it should already be changed on PC when Jason came out. But for some reason that change wasn't among the other changes.
it IS changed. . . PLEASE ! PLEASE stop spreading misinformation. I get so many scrubs online bitching that it is not patched on Steam because I wreck them. Put practice dummy to reversal, do a dragon kick mb, press any button less than 15 frames. If they get out of BLOCK STUN THEN IT IS NOT +15.You're on PC, I can tell.
They nerfed Liu's Flying Kick MB a long time ago, on PC it's still +15 while on consoles it's +2.
Normally, it should already be changed on PC when Jason came out. But for some reason that change wasn't among the other changes.
When did they apply the change?it IS changed. . . PLEASE ! PLEASE stop spreading misinformation. I get so many scrubs online bitching that it is not patched on Steam because I wreck them. Put practice dummy to reversal, do a dragon kick mb, press any button less than 15 frames. If they get out of BLOCK STUN THEN IT IS NOT +15.
+2 is still very good. The mix ups come from knowing what options they know. You have answers for each.
I tried it after the Jason patch, it was still in for me.It was fixed long ago during the Jason patch.
DF is definitely his alpha variation.Started today using LK and I am in love with his speed! I chose Dragon Fire variation. Which variation is the more viable?