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How Balanced is Injustice really?

CrimsonShadow

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why do people keep over saturating kabals dominance in mk9? most of it came from reo. who else was winning all those tournaments and pushing kabal to grand finals as much as reo? i bet if reo didnt play mk9 that kabal would not have been seen in the same standard given by him
I think some characters are viewed as tournament gatekeepers. So what that means is, whether or not they win, they keep other characters from having a chance to win. So for example, if you look at the SCR top 8 and see the overabundance of Kabal, Cyrax, etc. it doesn't matter which of them eventually wins as long as they kept a lot of people from making Top 8s.

Likewise even if Kenshi never won anything, you still can't downplay his dominance as a character when even pocket versions of him ruined a lot of tournament dreams deep into the bracket, due to his tools as a character.

In any case, it's hard to have discussions like this in a logical/objective way when emotions are running wild, but the real truth is probably buried somewhere between the extremes of A and Z.
 

pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
No you're not. You're using an inflammatory post to incite like minded people to support your inane opinion and now that people are calling you on it, you're falling back on that childish Eric Cartman hey guys I'm just asking the question option select, when the only question your OP asks is how long will it take for the sky to start falling. Its the same shit you pull in every GL thread when somebody asks you to prove your absurd downplaying and your retort is to say "hey I see this all the time online, and you have to prove me wrong"

To address this continually retarded debate; If the rise of the Manhunter was imminent, we would have seen it by now. REO and Jupiter would've started winning months ago when the character wasn't even fully understood and it would have only gotten worse over time. Instead, the only people marching through tournaments with MMH are people who are commited to the character and his playstyle. Which is no different from the dominante with the other 7 or 8 characters which make up the top 5.

Injustice is pretty fucking balanced. Better than most games with casts this large. It has a top tier, yes, but every boogeyman is beatable and (barring some more insane glitches like pushblock or invisible bola) if this is the game we're stuck with from now until eternity, the future looks pretty bright.
you shouldnt judge mmh full potential through reo. reo took 6 months off the game, barely travels, and doesnt even go to locals half the time. if someone under these conditions is how good we base the character is, then we're all gonna look dumb time from now when someone who actually plays the game non stop and goes every where with mmh seems. jupiter is slowly shaping up to be that guy but needs to travel more and get more exp in non explored mus
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
No you're not. You're using an inflammatory post to incite like minded people to support your inane opinion and now that people are calling you on it, you're falling back on that childish Eric Cartman hey guys I'm just asking the question option select, when the only question your OP asks is how long will it take for the sky to start falling. Its the same shit you pull in every GL thread when somebody asks you to prove your absurd downplaying and your retort is to say "hey I see this all the time online, and you have to prove me wrong"

To address this continually retarded debate; If the rise of the Manhunter was imminent, we would have seen it by now. REO and Jupiter would've started winning months ago when the character wasn't even fully understood and it would have only gotten worse over time. Instead, the only people marching through tournaments with MMH are people who are commited to the character and his playstyle. Which is no different from the dominante with the other 7 or 8 characters which make up the top 5.

Injustice is pretty fucking balanced. Better than most games with casts this large. It has a top tier, yes, but every boogeyman is beatable and (barring some more insane glitches like pushblock or invisible bola) if this is the game we're stuck with from now until eternity, the future looks pretty bright.
no im not flame baiting anyone thats asctually what youre doing to me but ok ill bite, my GL threads are about that character its no secret i think he's overrated.
also you say we would have seen it by now but maybe nobody with enough ability with the character had put the effort in until now? you saythey would have started winning when MMH understood but maybe they didnt fully understand him yet, it took a long time for the sinestro pushblock glitch to be found so why does MMH has to be fully fleshed out within a few months? (he came out in july) and he takes more skill than sinestro decisively, plus other characters were nerfed and the pushblock glitch hurt lex who some people thought may have beaten him. and everyone says the chraracter is beatable yes when there is a human behind him thats always a possibllity because humans make mistakes but its looking like he has no matchups worse than a 5-5.
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
@trufenix you been flaming me since day 1 though so its really no surprise you attack me in threads i make. its astounding how closed minded some people on here are though holy shit
 

Pho Cubic

Sérieusement Sabrewulf peut aller en enfer.
I don't think people know what the word "broken" means.

A broken character is not the same as a fucked up character. Calling a character broken means that the character is ban-worthy. Martian Manhunter is not anywhere near ban-worthy. He's fucked up yes, but he shouldn't be banned. What you saw in grand finals today is just Jupiter taking advantage of Sonic Fox's yolo tendencies. It was not Martian Manhunter being broken.

Please stop using the word "broken" in Injustice. This is one of the more balanced fighters out there. Currently no one in the game is broken.
 

SZSR

Noob
you say im doing something but wont tell me when i genuinely ask, no offense but i dont think youre intention was ever to help
youre confusing acception a bad matchup with giving up, i said i try to find ways to fight him how it that quitting?
I seek to moderate, calm down the thread.

I'm not attacking you, but I must ask, "Why did you open this thread?"

What did you expect from statements like:
"now i wasnt around for all of the MK days but i played the game and saw how broken Kabal was and im not gonna say MMH is as bad as that or worse because he probably isnt but could he at least be the Injustice equivalent?"

"Jupiter is really good props to him but is he really the best at Injustice? (he might be just asking) or just really good with a broken character?"

"again im not saying he's the Kabal v2 but lbsh he's OP"

Your attitude is nothing new in this scene regarding Manhunter. He is certainly strong, vies for the strongest in the game, and I have yet to find a person to deny this. You are very contradictory in your opening post. You say he's the INJ equivalent of Kabal but say he's not Kabal v2.

What response were you looking for? I'm sorry if this sounds aggressive, I just want you to elaborate your thoughts.
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
I seek to moderate, calm down the thread.

I'm not attacking you, but I must ask, "Why did you open this thread?"

What did you expect from statements like:
"now i wasnt around for all of the MK days but i played the game and saw how broken Kabal was and im not gonna say MMH is as bad as that or worse because he probably isnt but could he at least be the Injustice equivalent?"

"Jupiter is really good props to him but is he really the best at Injustice? (he might be just asking) or just really good with a broken character?"

"again im not saying he's the Kabal v2 but lbsh he's OP"

Your attitude is nothing new in this scene regarding Manhunter. He is certainly strong, vies for the strongest in the game, and I have yet to find a person to deny this. You are very contradictory in your opening post. You say he's the INJ equivalent of Kabal but say he's not Kabal v2.

What response were you looking for? I'm sorry if this sounds aggressive, I just want you to elaborate your thoughts.
the inj equivalent section was bad wording on my part ill take accountability for that, i was saying i dont think is the only character who is good enough/viable to win it all but i do think he is a bit overpowered, i know kabal was broken but idk if he 6-4'd the whole cast etc thats why i say idk if mmh is as bad as him
i said twice that i wasnt intending to say "mmh is the kabal of injustice" but the bad wording on the other question overshadowed that i suppose.
also it was a question not a statement but again bad wording
 

trufenix

bye felicia
you shouldnt judge mmh full potential through reo. reo took 6 months off the game, barely travels, and doesnt even go to locals half the time. if someone under these conditions is how good we base the character is, then we're all gonna look dumb time from now when someone who actually plays the game non stop and goes every where with mmh seems. jupiter is slowly shaping up to be that guy but needs to travel more and get more exp in non explored mus
Dude, that was months ago. It has literally been 6 months since 1.06 happened and MMH was supposed to take over. There are two big MMHs in the NE, nobody in florida, nobody in texas, nobody in ohio, nobody in chicago, nobody in socal, nobody in ATL. Is this really the first time in the history of fighting games that an obvious top tier existed and nobody wanted to play him?

All shit lieke this does is take credit away from Jupiter and REO who are actually putting in the work. It takes a giant shit on guys like Oxygen and Khaotix and Insayne who looked just as dominant but nobody's talking about them.
 

pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
Dude, that was months ago. It has literally been 6 months since 1.06 happened and MMH was supposed to take over. There are two big MMHs in the NE, nobody in florida, nobody in texas, nobody in ohio, nobody in chicago, nobody in socal, nobody in ATL. Is this really the first time in the history of fighting games that an obvious top tier existed and nobody wanted to play him?

All shit lieke this does is take credit away from Jupiter and REO who are actually putting in the work. It takes a giant shit on guys like Oxygen and Khaotix and Insayne who looked just as dominant but nobody's talking about them.
i'm not taking credit from reo and jupiter, i think they're both amazing players but the fact of the matter is they both don't TRAVEL. the point you brought up about there being no top mmh players any where else but north east is also further proves my point - there isn't a top level mmh yet that travels every where and grinds all MUS offline. jupiter right now is the closest thing to the best representation of mmh we got, but he doesn't travel much and looks to be lacking a lot of exp in some match ups like catwoman. once we have a top player playing mmh that regularly travels every and grinds a ton of match ups, only THEN can we judge how absurd and powerful mmh really is. do you understand a little better now on what i'm trying to say? hopefully jupiter becomes that players. someone needs to sponsor this man already

and you're right it's sad how we don't have more top players fleshing out mmh when he's clearly the best. but WHY is that? i don't know.... isn't mlg and evo coming up? i mean really lol
 

trufenix

bye felicia
no im not flame baiting anyone thats asctually what youre doing to me but ok ill bite, my GL threads are about that character its no secret i think he's overrated.
GL has had more successful top 8 appearances since 1.06 than MMH. Whose overrated?

also you say we would have seen it by now but maybe nobody with enough ability with the character had put the effort in until now? you saythey would have started winning when MMH understood but maybe they didnt fully understand him yet, it took a long time for the sinestro pushblock glitch to be found so why does MMH has to be fully fleshed out within a few months? (he came out in july) and he takes more skill than sinestro decisively, plus other characters were nerfed and the pushblock glitch hurt lex who some people thought may have beaten him. and everyone says the chraracter is beatable yes when there is a human behind him thats always a possibllity because humans make mistakes but its looking like he has no matchups worse than a 5-5.
What are you even talking about? What comparison is there to a glitch that never even got a chance to make an impact on the game (Wound didn't use it during the tournament he won, and then got scraped in the tournament it was supposed to dominate). And no, Sinestro is NOT as good as MMH. This is why it took wound and P2W and lots of others 6 months to make him shine. A character as good as MMH is supposed to be should've lit the game on fire day one. Prepatch Superman and BA were good, day one. They ran tournaments from the day the game launched, and the Supes / BA players just kept getting better. Nobody had to wait 6 months for Superman to suddenly be as good as people said he was.

Lastly, just because a character has lots of 5-5s and 6-4s doesn't mean he's unbeatable or a detriment to the game. It means he's TOP TIER and top tier always exists. If Injustice NEEDS players like REO and Jupiter to bring that out of MMH, then it is totally and completely fair because those guys are geniuses.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
and you're right it's sad how we don't have more top players fleshing out mmh when he's clearly the best. but WHY is that? i don't know.... isn't mlg and evo coming up? i mean really lol
So you are actually suggesting MMH is THAT good and nobody wants to play him. You know what that means? It means he's NOT that good. It means yes, he's top tier, but he's not a kabal tier win button that changes t he g ame just by being t here because if he was that good, people wouldn't be clinging to their old unviable characters when there's a win button on the select screen.
 

pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
So you are actually suggesting MMH is THAT good and nobody wants to play him. You know what that means? It means he's NOT that good. It means yes, he's top tier, but he's not a kabal tier win button that changes t he g ame just by being t here because if he was that good, people wouldn't be clinging to their old unviable characters when there's a win button on the select screen.
no. i'm saying that mmh's full potential hasn't been revealed yet and still remains to be seen UNTIL we have a player who travels to every major and knows the ins and outs of all of mmhs mus. so can you stop judging how good mmh is from 2 guys who barely travel? i suggest you push for jupiter to get sponsored so he can become that player that can bring out the full potential in mmh at every major

and kabal wasn't a "win button". kabal took dedication and plenty of time investment just like any other top tier requires
 
Until we get to the state of MMH dominating top 8/top 16/pool play in most tourneys as pre-patch Superman and Black Adam did, this discussion is wayyyy too early.

Is he the best in the game? Undoubtedly so. Is he pre-patch Supes/Black Adam level? That remains to be seen since the only ones dominating right now are REO and Jupiter.
 
Injustice has way better balance than MK9, we allways see different top 8s here. Can´t you guys remember how hard it was for the cast to fight Kabal, even if he really requierd skill to master, or to fight the mentally retarded/ braindead Kenshi, that just spamming specials beats half of the cast by 8/2, or Cyrax resets, cmon Injustice has what MK9 lacked, the vast majority of the cast is usable. I still love and play MK9, I just think 1 last patch was needed.