Wakeups and You !

[Skkra]

godpost

Thank you for this. I know I'm late to the thread, but this is amazing. I do NOT get much playtime and this just instantly leveled me up.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Here i give some better examples with DS to stuff wakeups

Also mention that you can actually delay your wakeup to mess up their stuffing attempt.

When making these videos never do corner

Always do mid screen and against Aquaman trident rush or scoop

Or start on left side w back to the corner

It's say easier to time facing corner and mid screen shows how to setup distance/ timing better

 

[Crathen]

When making these videos never do corner

Always do mid screen and against Aquaman trident rush or scoop

Or start on left side w back to the corner

It's say easier to time facing corner and mid screen shows how to setup distance/ timing better

Yeah i should do that , i've recorded both corner and from left side with back to the corner in the vid , used Zod as an example just because i feel it's slightly harder to time than Aquaman wakeups , i'll do another one w Aqua starting on the left side w back to the corner ( i don't do it midscreen just because DS Bnbs have too much wallcarry and usually brings them to the corner).

 

[Laos_boy]

I know I have a thread in this. But I'm just gonna leave this here aswell

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Yeah i should do that , i've recorded both corner and from left side with back to the corner in the vid , used Zod as an example just because i feel it's slightly harder to time than Aquaman wakeups , i'll do another one w Aqua starting on the left side w back to the corner ( i don't do it midscreen just because DS Bnbs have too much wallcarry and usually brings them to the corner).

That's the point
I have restructured all of ZOD combos to set up these situations mid screen where most if the action is,
Corner the timing/dashing/spacing is much easier and misleading

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I know I have a thread in this. But I'm just gonna leave this here aswell

@AK Glass_Sword

 

[Crathen]

That's the point
I have restructured all of ZOD combos to set up these situations mid screen where most if the action is,
Corner the timing/dashing/spacing is much easier and misleading

I agree , it's pretty much the same with DS , his best HDK enders are 23 or 12xxflip ( way more advantage to dash in and stuff WU than f23xxflip ) and btw DS rapes Aquaman on wakeup as f3 goes over scoop , trident rush and hit him out of watershield before it becomes active.

 

[RiBBz22]

GJ GS

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I agree , it's pretty much the same with DS , his best HDK enders are 23 or 12xxflip ( way more advantage to dash in and stuff WU than f23xxflip ) and btw DS rapes Aquaman on wakeup as f3 goes over scoop , trident rush and hit him out of watershield before it becomes active.

That's really cool to know

Does d2 go under ji2?

Can u explain that MU a little to me?

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

I am afraid you are mistaken there, friend.

EDIT: I'll try to record a video where I stuff Lightning Cage. Not sure exactly how long it'll take me.

Is it off a hard knockdown? A surprisingly large amount of players try to wakeup off hard knockdowns and get their invincibility stuffed

 

[Braindead]

Is it off a hard knockdown? A surprisingly large amount of players try to wakeup off hard knockdowns and get their invincibility stuffed

No I can stuff it after a d3. I stuff it with NW's staff spin and I can also hit BA with a d1 during the motion. There's a very tight window of vulnerability just before the lightning comes out of BA, so if you want do hit him with d1 the timing is crazy, but its much easier to do with the staff spin because of the multi-hits.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Is it off a hard knockdown? A surprisingly large amount of players try to wakeup off hard knockdowns and get their invincibility stuffed

No I can stuff it after a d3. I stuff it with NW's staff spin and I can also hit BA with a d1 during the motion. There's a very tight window of vulnerability just before the lightning comes out of BA, so if you want do hit him with d1 the timing is crazy, but its much easier to do with the staff spin because of the multi-hits.

hmmm

you sure? Ill try this too

 

[Braindead]

hmmm

you sure? Ill try this too

Yeah. I'll try to record and upload a video.

 

[Glass Sword]

"Only idiots use Super Nova."

HEEEEEY. >:/

I only use it on occasion because some folks just don't expect it. >_>

But yeah, it's generally not a good idea to use it at all. If they block the first hit of it and know how to avoid the second hit, you're in some trouble.

You realize the first thing I put
on each character is suppose to be an inside joke for the community.

 

[Braindead]

hmmm

you sure? Ill try this too

Just recorded the video, I'll upload it now.

 

[Braindead]

Here's the video of stuffing BA's Lightning Cage

@AK Pig Of The Hut @A New Angel Is Advent @AK Glass_Sword

EDIT: BTW that noise am making is because I have the flu, am not snorting cocaine. 'mkay?

 

[Crathen]

That's really cool to know

Does d2 go under ji2?

Can u explain that MU a little to me?

Yea d2 goes under j2 hitbox anywhere but max max range , it also AA j1 fairly consistently , quick 1 minute vid i just did.

Basically in the MU Aquaman can't FTD safely anywhere on the screen because quickfire punishes it ( and any aquaman trying the FTD into trait to bait a MB QF punish is just wasting his trait ) so he can't chip you out or hold on to a lifelead , FTD can punish low gunshots / whiffed quickfires but it's easier said than done in a real match especially when he has to reversal it risking to eat the delayed MB , MB LGS cannot be punished with FTD anywhere on the screen and i can confirm if LGS gets blocked and MB it for safety anytime i want.

So Aquaman has to chase DS when he has a lifelead and in footsie range f3 / MB f3 goes over b12 and the range on 323 is good enough to punish whiffed b12 , DS can punish Trident Rush on block with SF if Aquaman advances forward or if he spaces it badly like max range b12xxTR , Aquaman can trait to punish a SF but that's besides the point ,if he wants to use it on that i'll just let him waste it.

Off any decent SF / 23 knockdown f3 goes over all his wakeups and he's forced to block it and eat a 50/50 , his backdash is also bad enough that he can be catched with the b2xxSS OS ( meaning that he either blocks b2xxSS or if he backdashes b23 comes out and he gets hit ) , also j3 beats his wakeups and grant you a mixup and there are ambigous j3 setups to 1 hit launch him so he can't trait it up , DS j3 is also harder to AA than most jump attacks and can challenge Aquas d2 at certain ranges.

I think it's at least even , if not it's slight adv DS , i've got some good online sets i'll be uploading soon and there's some Aquaman in them and i do good vs him but i still want to play other good Aquamans before judging the MU.

Also here's the midscreen vid vs Aquaman wakeups

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

Here's the video of stuffing BA's Lightning Cage

@AK Pig Of The Hut @A New Angel Is Advent @AK Glass_Sword

EDIT: BTW that noise am making is because I have the flu, am not snorting cocaine. 'mkay?

Was the knockdown off d3 sweep (sorry I don't know NW moves)?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Yea d2 goes under j2 hitbox anywhere but max max range , it also AA j1 fairly consistently , quick 1 minute vid i just did.

Basically in the MU Aquaman can't FTD safely anywhere on the screen because quickfire punishes it ( and any aquaman trying the FTD into trait to bait a MB QF punish is just wasting his trait ) so he can't chip you out or hold on to a lifelead , FTD can punish low gunshots / whiffed quickfires but it's easier said than done in a real match especially when he has to reversal it risking to eat the delayed MB , MB LGS cannot be punished with FTD anywhere on the screen and i can confirm if LGS gets blocked and MB it for safety anytime i want.

So Aquaman has to chase DS when he has a lifelead and in footsie range f3 / MB f3 goes over b12 and the range on 323 is good enough to punish whiffed b12 , DS can punish Trident Rush on block with SF if Aquaman advances forward or if he spaces it badly like max range b12xxTR , Aquaman can trait to punish a SF but that's besides the point ,if he wants to use it on that i'll just let him waste it.

Off any decent SF / 23 knockdown f3 goes over all his wakeups and he's forced to block it and eat a 50/50 , his backdash is also bad enough that he can be catched with the b2xxSS OS ( meaning that he either blocks b2xxSS or if he backdashes b23 comes out and he gets hit ) , also j3 beats his wakeups and grant you a mixup and there are ambigous j3 setups to 1 hit launch him so he can't trait it up , DS j3 is also harder to AA than most jump attacks and can challenge Aquas d2 at certain ranges.

I think it's at least even , if not it's slight adv DS , i've got some good online sets i'll be uploading soon and there's some Aquaman in them and i do good vs him but i still want to play other good Aquamans before judging the MU.

Also here's the midscreen vid vs Aquaman wakeups

That's great info thanks

Play Tom or wound cowboy aqua man and record it

It'd be a lot of fun to watch

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Yea d2 goes under j2 hitbox anywhere but max max range , it also AA j1 fairly consistently , quick 1 minute vid i just did.

Basically in the MU Aquaman can't FTD safely anywhere on the screen because quickfire punishes it ( and any aquaman trying the FTD into trait to bait a MB QF punish is just wasting his trait ) so he can't chip you out or hold on to a lifelead , FTD can punish low gunshots / whiffed quickfires but it's easier said than done in a real match especially when he has to reversal it risking to eat the delayed MB , MB LGS cannot be punished with FTD anywhere on the screen and i can confirm if LGS gets blocked and MB it for safety anytime i want.

So Aquaman has to chase DS when he has a lifelead and in footsie range f3 / MB f3 goes over b12 and the range on 323 is good enough to punish whiffed b12 , DS can punish Trident Rush on block with SF if Aquaman advances forward or if he spaces it badly like max range b12xxTR , Aquaman can trait to punish a SF but that's besides the point ,if he wants to use it on that i'll just let him waste it.

Off any decent SF / 23 knockdown f3 goes over all his wakeups and he's forced to block it and eat a 50/50 , his backdash is also bad enough that he can be catched with the b2xxSS OS ( meaning that he either blocks b2xxSS or if he backdashes b23 comes out and he gets hit ) , also j3 beats his wakeups and grant you a mixup and there are ambigous j3 setups to 1 hit launch him so he can't trait it up , DS j3 is also harder to AA than most jump attacks and can challenge Aquas d2 at certain ranges.

I think it's at least even , if not it's slight adv DS , i've got some good online sets i'll be uploading soon and there's some Aquaman in them and i do good vs him but i still want to play other good Aquamans before judging the MU.

Also here's the midscreen vid vs Aquaman wakeups

@AK Glass_Sword can u add this last video to the OP?

This is great stuff

 

[Crathen]

That's great info thanks

Play Tom or wound cowboy aqua man and record it

It'd be a lot of fun to watch

I'll give it a shot if the lag isn't too bad , online Aqua b2 / b1 is a real 50/50 and DS J3 is harder to AA lol , those things makes the MU weird when compared to offline.

Then again i've played Deg ( wich is florida iirc ) with little to none lag , i wonder how playing Norcal would pan out haha.

 

[Braindead]

Was the knockdown off d3 sweep (sorry I don't know NW moves)?

yeah that's the sweep

 

[Mr Aquaman]

Ares- The Rain of Injustice.

That explains alot.........

 

[A New Angel Is Advent]

yeah that's the sweep

That's pretty universal, since sweep gives the hard knockdown. Causes a late wakeup that can get stuffed in the early frames.

 

[Braindead]

That's pretty universal, since sweep gives the hard knockdown. Causes a late wakeup that can get stuffed in the early frames.

hmm I didnt know the sweep is a hard knockdown.. I'll try with other stuff