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Reauxbot

You think you bad? You aint bad.
God people are right I need to stop complaining about reptile because it's annoying.. But at least I don't make full threads about it.. Stop crying about your character and other characters. It's annoying as fuck and nobody cares honestly..

You're character isn't top tier well shit luck. Drop him or pick an other.. And you don't give a fuck what other people think?.. We all know you do give a fuck about what others think.. Look at your insistent prop fishing..
Damn..
 

The_REAL_xVAPORx

smoke reset bot
ive been preaching takeda will be B tier since my first offline tourney, I commend you @Zyphox for sticking with him this far. why work so hard on a character, and rely on footsies, spacing and gdlk reads to win matches when you can just bojutsu the shit out of everyone? I switched mains and I must say takeda makes an EXCELLENT secondary to switch things up on your opponent when they start thinking they have you downloaded. my suggestion; pick up a new main, if they buff takeda into viability you'll already have him under your belt.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Maybe he's supposed to play like a whiff punisher in this game? Like Raiden in MK9? He had pretty slow normal and gaps every fucking where. But he was still solid.

Not blowing up, just seriously sharing a thought.
see if his moves were fast than yeah i can see that, but what am i punishing on whiff with a 24 frame move? i'm not saying takeda has no options, takeda has really good air control across all his variations, and he has a good footsie game, + his pokes low profile and stops dash ins and running in. if you jump a kunai you might eat a full combo, and you still have to guess after a knockdown sort of.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
If you dont care what anyone thinks then why make a whole thread? lol yeah...
why dont you read? i dont care what you say in terms of how to use my character, because people will come in here and say shit like well why dont you do this instead like in my kano b1 thread when they never even touched the character, please put your reading glasses on next time.
 

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
That is because people are figuring out their characters and realizing their potential, or lack of potential. Eg kitana, kenshi, shinnok, and now Takeda for lack of potential
Oh, you mean like how Black Adam was considered "low tier" and "Bottom 5" in the beginning of Injustice because he had "no low starter and a weak toolset"?

The hardest thing to do in predictions is declare a character weak before all is discovered.
 

Laos_boy

Meow Hoes
I only use ronin Takeda. And I agree his normal are pretty slow. And his wake ups suck iutside of ex uppercut. But all his moves are unsafe. But in ronin EX laser is +4 and reg. Laser is like -5. But that's duckable. I think ronin might be his best but at the cost of damage. Kind of like kitana and mournful.
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
see if his moves were fast than yeah i can see that, but what am i punishing on whiff with a 24 frame move? i'm not saying takeda has no options, takeda has really good air control across all his variations, and he has a good footsie game, + his pokes low profile and stops dash ins and running in. if you jump a kunai you might eat a full combo, and you still have to guess after a knockdown sort of.
Well maybe that's it, he doesn't have to pressure but only play lame and force the opponent into making mistakes by abusing his great footsies and air control.

I don't know just thinking out loud. You probably thought about all this already.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
If people start jumping and armoring through kunai that is great for you, because you can read it the next time and punish them. Or you can do EX kunai which eats armor.

F33 is also a pretty fast normal iirc. He has problems for sure but I wouldnt put him in the realm of kenshi/kitana just yet.
he doesn't have a f33, just f3, is 11 frames start up that leads to just a knockdown. and just like i said in the OP i have the option to do b21 tele cancel and be safe against most of the cast (reptile punishes for free regardless). a smart opponent won't armor every time, just look at my match with CDjr, he waited till it was necessary to do it, and it was in a crucial moment. i still think that if it jailed into kunai it would be much more viable of a tool, you can still run and jump any follow up b21 after wards if you read it so its not braindead, after getting hit with kunai you can armor through the follow up b21 also, so they have options. that or make takeda faster up close but possibly making ronin variation a lot better and possibly broken.
 

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
why dont you read? i dont care what you say in terms of how to use my character, because people will come in here and say shit like well why dont you do this instead like in my kano b1 thread when they never even touched the character, please put your reading glasses on next time.
Its in fighting game's nature to have top, mid and low tier chars. If you like the char grind it out, the better player usually wins. You just gotta work harder but if you dont want to then have a secondary top tier char or just drop it. But for the love of god quit crying already, the game seems pretty balanced so far.
 
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Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Well maybe that's it, he doesn't have to pressure but only play lame and force the opponent into making mistakes by abusing his great footsies and air control.

I don't know just thinking out loud. You probably thought about all this already.
thats how i've been getting wins honestly, on top of people not knowing MU. there really isnt a footsie move he can abuse, f3 is close though, inside jump distances its my go to move, problem is if they happen to block anything up close guess where i am at? up close where my fastest move is a short range d2 at 8 frames punishable by forward advancing moves and most of the time whiff punished. the next fast is 11 frame d1..........so either way i play lame and if they are patient and block something that puts me up close or - they are in my face already where takeda is at his weakest. if it weren't so easy to get in on him i wouldn't mind being slow up close.
 

RunwayMafia

Shoot them. Shoot them all.
Considering I dont actually main Takeda and know virtually nothing about him, I am going to take Zy's word for it.

However, I am hoping to see all the idiots who told all of us Kitana mains that we didnt know shit about our chatacter and to basically get good. Lol

Also, @MITDJT probably has a lecture for you as well. ;)
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
Its in fighting game's nature to have top, mid and low tier chars. If you like the char grind it out, the better player usually wins. You just gotta work harder but if you dont want to then have a secondary top tier char or just drop it. But for the love of god quit crying already, the game seems pretty balanced so far.
lol you just make everything so simple huh? i bet you are that type of person like "isn't life full of ups and downs and lefts and rights? you just got to work hard to get where you want to go, and always have a back up plan, but for the love of god stop crying about your (insert problem here), everyone goes through things like this.
 

FinalBoss_FGC

Day -4MONTHS Dual Jin main
1. Stop yelling at me :(

2. I said pre-release that Takeda's slow start-ups are going to make him mid level at best. Idk why people don't listen to me. I also said KJ would be top 5. ;)

3. Yeah, there are like 2 characters without glaring holes when I play vs them. They are KJ and Sonya. Lol
 

gpmoney

CORN | gpmoney. Saltier than a bag of chips.
Lol as a takeda main I feel this thread. People who actually play fighting games will understand this thread. The problem with Takeda is he is too slow and has almost no good moves almost giving him the feel that he is unplayable. Everything is unnecessarily negative, no advantage on anything, no "real" mix up game cause nothing is a true blockstring and is negative for no reason. He is so limited it's annoying. Anyone who is losing to takeda and crying cause "he is unfair" is bad or dose not know the MU. How and why are you getting hit with slow ass 24frame overheads that are -16, -21 on block and -10, -7 on hit. The 3rd overhead is -22 and can be backdashed because its a 29frame overhead l! The low kunai almost dose nothing cause you can armor reversal everything. Takeda can not touch you from full screen unless he throws out a raw teleport or kunia witch is 31frames and has to travel full scree! He almost can not punish most of the bs in the game do to his shit slow normals, you can jump all his shit and punish, meter build is trash, and he only has like 2 plus moves bht when all your normals are so slow whats the point. I moved on and picked up kano, quan, and a lil dvora but Takeda is the fun character I want to play. I can be people all day who don't know the MU but after I break it down they all say the same thing. "what is the point of playing this character?". If you are losing to takeda and crying about it you should learn the MU, or go pick him up so you can see how bad he is and how frustrating it is to not be able to use any of your moves because he is so negative on everything.

He is the perfect online character though lol
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
So what his b21 string can be armored through? They don't have infinite armor. You show in the video how you can bait it with the teleport cancel. You have some godlike footsie tools. F21, F12, and F3 are all really good weather or not they lead to big damage. They lead to knockdowns and staggers and they are safe. I can't believe you complained that his godlike njp is punishable too...
 

Bugman

Apprentice
To be fair, Takeda is not that slow. At least he faster then Goro, Feera/Torr, and Shinnok. Don't get me wrong Takeda can get punish almost everything in the game but I don't think he bad as a character to be honest. @Zyphox you are a good Takeda player arguably the best Takeda in the world but I just can't see Takeda be one of the worst characters in the games however. You should try out his other two variations.