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TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
EMPEROR_SunFire said:
Did I miss something? Why would people cry about Mileena? Lol.

She is completely fine, she's good but she doesn't have anything amazing. She doesn't need anymore buffs or nerfs.
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If she got any more buffs I would see that as bonuses/nice to haves. Although saying that I still think F12 in Piercing needs a little fixing as 2 still completely whiffs on Raiden :(
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
theGabStandard said:
If she got any more buffs I would see that as bonuses/nice to haves. Although saying that I still think F12 in Piercing needs a little fixing as 2 still completely whiffs on Raiden :(
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I completely agree, it whiffs on a lot of characters still actually :/ which sucks, but that's more like a fix, people can start blowing her up for it.
 
TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
EMPEROR_SunFire said:
I completely agree, it whiffs on a lot of characters still actually :/ which sucks, but that's more like a fix, people can start blowing her up for it.
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Yeah, been meaning to review my thread to see whether the latest patch has changed any of the outcomes regarding F12 on the roster but I haven't had the time. But it is a worry because at the moment us Mileenas are probably getting away with 2 whiffing on characters, although it won't be long until we will get blown up for it.

I can't remember but was it you who said F143 is now a true blockstring? If so then I will look into the oki game with that string as a potential substitute and see what can be converted off it on hit
 
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EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
theGabStandard said:
Yeah, been meaning to review my thread to see whether the latest patch has changed any of the outcomes regarding F12 on the roster but I haven't had the time. But it is a worry because at the moment us Mileenas are probably getting away with 2 whiffing on characters Soon though we will get blown up for it.

I can't remember but was it you who said F143 is now a true blockstring? If so then I will look into the oki game with that string as a potential substitute and see what can be converted off it on hit
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Yeah, I said that but I judt found out that it's only a true blockstring in Ravenous & Ethereal :( in Piercing it still has a gap.
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
@theGabStandard, it's fade mixups. Yes, they are complaining. Yes, they're wanting her nerfed, yes they're wanting low sai mixups nerfed, & yes, they want Mileena nerfed. Anything that forces people to play good defense, they want it nerfed. They want to be able to always hit buttons. She's already a relatively unsafe character that is high risk/ reward as it is. You'll see in the future. I didn't want to say anything regarding my last post because I'm not a type of guy who likes to complain nor start trouble.

@EMPEROR_SunFire, No, roll is great for anti-airing, but I mean if someone NJP's or if you catch them going up & just so happened to hit them with D1, you can convert it into damage. It also helps as a combo extension to some moves too as well as more damage.

@ExpiredTrapLord , it's been like that now for years lol.
 
1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
Devin Thorn said:
Ahh nice I don't know why I thought it was -8.
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EMPEROR_SunFire said:
-6. It's completely safe.
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its -7 and def not completely safe....

cassie - flip kick
kung lao - spin
jax - 1
radien - F1
liu kang - F1
reptile - ex slide
scorpion - D1
shinnok - D1, ex hellsparks
ermac - D1
kotal - D1, D4
goro- D1, D3
ferra/torr (lackey only) D1

@JDE as i also play hellfire scorp i get were your coming from but i doubt mileena will get nerfed, ex fades plus frames are booty when compared to the likes of kung laos and shinnoks ex pressure so i think that be fine but whoever the fudge is complaining about "low sai mixups" need to trade the dang game in lol 6% on hit death on block
 
TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
JDE said:
@theGabStandard, it's fade mixups. Yes, they are complaining. Yes, they're wanting her nerfed, yes they're wanting low sai mixups nerfed, & yes, they want Mileena nerfed. Anything that forces people to play good defense, they want it nerfed. They want to be able to always hit buttons. She's already a relatively unsafe character that is high risk/ reward as it is. You'll see in the future. I didn't want to say anything regarding my last post because I'm not a type of guy who likes to complain nor start trouble.
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This is just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb. I do not get why people have the mentality of just wanting everything nerfed to make things simpler instead of putting the work in and finding a way around it. Maybe its just a product of the era we live in where all information is available now. Anyway back on track

Fade and low sai mixups....are not even that powerful compared to other tools in the roster. Wanting to nerf a mixup that requires meter and if you block correctly Mileena has wasted one bar (maybe 2 if gutsy) for a small percentage of chip, this is obviously broken. Low sai is like 6% damage and only +1 on hit from memory? If it somehow launched into a 30% combo I might understand some complaints but this is....man....

I understand why you didn't want to post this because now it sounds like I'm complaining lol, but nerfing Mileena who is probably one of the most fair/balanced characters in the roster for stuff like this is ludicrous.
 
LionHeart

LionHeart

Whisper within a sigh
theGabStandard said:
I remember someone saying pre patch that D1 was actually a decent anti air for cross up jumps. I'm guessing now it will be a lot better
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Yeah, that was me.

You can, at the very least, anti-air with d1 into 1 , f23~roll, b212+4 (or other ender depending on variation). It is now even better, as you can catch jump outs after a plus string and not being afraid if it will whiff if they stand block.....
 
JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
1man3letters said:
its -7 and def not completely safe....

cassie - flip kick
kung lao - spin
jax - 1
radien - F1
liu kang - F1
reptile - ex slide
scorpion - D1
shinnok - D1, ex hellsparks
ermac - D1
kotal - D1, D4
goro- D1, D3

@JDE as i also play hellfire scorp i get were your coming from but i doubt mileena will get nerfed, ex fades plus frames are booty when compared to the likes of kung laos and shinnoks ex pressure so i think that be fine but whoever the fudge is complaining about "low sai mixups" need to trade the dang game in lol 6% on hit death on block
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@1man3letters The 214 into the FBRC nerf didn't bother me. I knew that they were going to do something to it, just a matter of when that they were going to do it. I'm mad that they nerfed a lot of his combos more than anything. He still has good damage (with 214 tele in general), but they could have left his 214 xxTelexx > 214 xxEx Telexx combos alone while adjusting the damage output. 21 xxFAxx combos are hard, too, almost not even worth trying now for a punish combo or general. This nerf made absolutely no sense. People need to learn how to use block breaker especially now with the recent character changes.

@theGabStandard they want them to nerf ANYTHING that requires them to think & when they can't just outright go in & just mash. It's sad how games like these go to shit because of how lazy as a whole we are. It's pitful. When changes are called for & they've been made, it's usually overkill. It should be to where everyone just sit down & learn 1st before saying that something isn't right. But noooooooo. lol
 
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ZeroEffect

ZeroEffect

Warrior
JDE said:
It's honestly getting to where I just want to send PMS to people who normally like talking & sharing tech with me. It's becoming discouraging to share something good only for the crybabies to win on a twitter page or a Facebook page from the developers. The irony. Every community that I've been in have been like this. I got enough of this in the DOA community. SRK just happens to get their crybabies blown off, but there's a lot of them.
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Ehh, I wouldn't worry about it. I really don't think a bunch of grown adults at NRS are sitting there like a looking for the next loudest group to please. I do think they take it into consideration, but ultimately they decide if it's worth changing. Point is, even if you stop sharing tech, it'll be seen anyway. It's like those people who "save it for the tournament (you know, like NRS doesn't follow the scene to see what they're hiding.)

On the other hand, there's a lot of dumb shit in this game. There's honestly too much advantage on too many things. (You can't even neutral duck a high after being hit with a D1 or D3) But I'd like to believe, NRS is doing the best they can to make the game as workable as possible.

I agree with you 100% on the hypocritical "git gud" and "adapt" messages baiting for "Likes". Nobody likes nerfs. and the only people who truly don't get bothered are those who just bandwagon the next top tier in line anyway.
 
TheGabStandard

TheGabStandard

The anticipation is killing me
JDE said:
@theGabStandard they want they to nerf ANYTHING that requires them to think & when they can't just outright go in & just mash. It's sad how games like these go to shit because of how lazy as a whole we are. It's pitful. When changes are called for & they've been made, it's usually overkill. It should be to where everyone just sit down & learn 1st before saying that something isn't right. But noooooooo. lol
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I agree and maybe its because we know patches are coming so its easier to cry then to think, "Ok, this setup is destroying me, let me look into it and see what I can find incase this is here to stay."

But unfortunately it is what it is. We just have to keep playing and deal with whatever comes our way regarding patches
 
Method

Method

Full Combo Punishable
ZeroEffect said:
In other news... 21U4 definitely still has a gap in Piercing to armor/backdash through.
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wtf

21U4 doesn't even use her sais!

I'm barely resisting the urge to tag colt. Are all the gaps and whiffs in Piercing intentional, intended to offset the damage potential and improved neutral game? The inconsistencies are piling up conpared to her other variations. EDIT: Or not, but F12 is still pants.
 
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JDE

JDE

Pick up & kill it & kill it & kill it!
This was why I didn't want to post anything from the start. I knew that it would send out shockwaves here & I didn't want that. I was just posting to inform (& persuade) you guys to be prepared for what's ahead & don't be surprised. I apologize to TYM mods. @1man3letters, The Boss etc.

I do hope that I can do well with her & other characters that I use in events & meet Ed Boon. Hopefully they don't listen. But yeah back to searching & studying.

The 21U4 can also be option selected. It was like that in all variations, could always be armored through nothing really new.
 
dph1990

dph1990

Noob
JDE said:
This was why I didn't want to post anything from the start. I knew that it would send out shockwaves here & I didn't want that. I was just posting to inform (& persuade) you guys to be prepared for what's ahead & don't be surprised. I apologize to TYM mods. @1man3letters, The Boss etc.

I do hope that I can do well with her & other characters that I use in events & meet Ed Boon. Hopefully they don't listen. But yeah back to searching & studying.

The 21U4 can also be option selected. It was like that in all variations, could always be armored through nothing really new.
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What could they possibly nerf that they could justify as necessary? I just don't understand how any of her tools could be seen as too strong. Am I missing something?
 
1man3letters

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
JDE said:
This was why I didn't want to post anything from the start. I knew that it would send out shockwaves here & I didn't want that. I was just posting to inform (& persuade) you guys to be prepared for what's ahead & don't be surprised. I apologize to TYM mods. @1man3letters, The Boss etc.
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i dont think you need to apologize for posting your opinion on a characters future direction in a general discussion thread :)
 
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