The great debate: What is a Cheeseburger? (stuff, or no stuff)

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What is a Cheeseburger, by definition?

  1. Meat, cheese, and bread.

  2. Meat, cheese, bread, and stuff (condiments, onion, tomato, etc)

  1. Under_The_Mayo

    Under_The_Mayo Master of Quanculations
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    15 years ago, my friend and I had a heated debate. Upon seeing a commercial for Jack In The Box's Ultimate Cheeseburger, Jonathan said to me "That's not a cheeseburger. There's no stuff on it."

    My response was, "Of course it is. A cheeseburger just means meat and cheese. If you put something else on it, it becomes a cheeseburger 'with stuff'"

    And from that moment, the great debate was born.

    What does "cheeseburger" actually mean?
    Option 1: A cheeseburger is the combination of meat, cheese, and bun. Simple.
    The "plain" cheeseburger is the cheeseburger's default natural state. If you have ketchup, then it becomes "Cheeseburger with ketchup". Add tomato and pickles, and you have "a cheeseburger with tomato and pickles", aka: a cheeseburger "with stuff".

    Option 2. A cheeseburger is the total presentation of meat, cheese, bun, and toppings.


    For example, lettuce, pickles, onion, condiments. There is no default form of "cheeseburger", because people like different condiments and toppings. But the principal is that a cheeseburger must have stuff to be a cheeseburger, and without the stuff, it becomes "a cheeseburger without stuff".


    Personally, I fall into category one. Let me tell you why.

    I'm not saying that the no-stuff cheeseburger is the best. Just that it's what a cheeseburger is at its core, and anything else is a modification. I like lettuce and mayo on my cheeseburger. But that's simply how I like to modify a cheeseburger. I'm adding what I want. I do not expect anyone to have my same tastes, so I think we can all agree on the default minimal ingredients to start. If you take away the lettuce and mayo, you still have a meal. If you take away the meat, it's not longer a cheeseburger.

    Jonathan's argument was always: "When you order a cheeseburger, in any place, it comes with stuff. If you don't want stuff, you have to ASK for no stuff. That means that a cheeseburger, by definition, has stuff."

    On it's face, this argument is compelling. But my rebuttal was: "The question is 'What IS a cheeseburger?', not, 'What do you get when you order a cheeseburger?'" Just because a place prepares a cheeseburger a certain way, does not affect the definition of what a cheeseburger is at it's core.

    The fact that if you don't want stuff you have to order a "plain cheeseburger", or else you can expect who-knows-what kind of toppings on it, is totally irrelevant to the argument.

    So what do you think?

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  2. Euphoric

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  3. xSMoKEx

    xSMoKEx Coward Character User

    Cheese + Burger = Cheeseburger. Condiments imo do not dictate whether or not it is a cheeseburger lol.

    Condiments are exactly that, condiments. They are there to flavour food, not the food itself (the food being the cheeseburger). It's almost like saying that a burger isn't a burger if it doesn't have condiments.
  4. PND OmegaK

    PND OmegaK Drunk and Orderly
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    A cheeseburger without the stuff is still a cheeseburger, but just in the way black adam without a dive kick is still black adam.
  5. DevilMaySpy

    DevilMaySpy Mama's Little Bumgorf
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    I've been eating plain cheeseburgers since age 4. Tell my clogged arteries they aren't real.
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  6. STB Shujinkydink

    STB Shujinkydink Burning down in flames for kicks

    Adding stuff to a cheeseburger is cheating. In a best cheeseburger contest, its about the patty and the cheese. If you add bacon or something of course its gonna be better. Cheeseburgers should be judged on the base ingredients, not variables. Every cheeseburger in existence has that in common. Condiments vary and can be unpredictable and costly
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  7. KIllaByte

    KIllaByte PSN: playakid700. Local name: BFGC MonkeyBizness

    Cheeseburger and proper Cheeseburger are different, I guess.
    Sorry, DMS.
  8. KIllaByte

    KIllaByte PSN: playakid700. Local name: BFGC MonkeyBizness

    So, what would the beef and cheese only sandwich be called if it isn't a cheeseburger?
  9. ThaShiveGeek

    ThaShiveGeek Est In Harvey 1989

    Nice write up lol. Personally I don't want a "plain" cheeseburger ever. I like EVERY thing on it minus the tomatoes, but hey.... To each his own. There's no right or wrong here.
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  10. It's weird lol.

    It's like calling a burger a tomato burger because you added tomatoes.

    Or like Lettucetomatocheeseburger, because you added lettuce tomato and cheese

    I just think ofit as a burger + cheese. lol
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