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StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
Joker is such a Tease

It's like you see stuff like this then get excited then use him and it all goes away
What's the deal here?

Why the fuck is he bottom tier with shit like this?
Lol well that setup is in no way guaranteed. After the 21 xx teeth you can jump out. But if they try something else on the ground, you can catch them with this.
It basically comes down to this- Joker is very good at killing you if he touches you in the corner or near a BGB if he has the meter to do so, but he struggles very badly at opening people up due to a lack of mixup (his only low doesn't go into his launching special and he has no overhead that combos) and even getting in against some characters (bad mobility and his only counterzoning tool has alot of whiff issues). I don't think he is as bad a character as the community thinks he is, but he certainly struggles more than some in this game and has to play some matchups very specifically and flawlessly to make up for it. Once the Joker community (myself included) levels up more, the opinion might shift, so for now we'll just keep trying to prove you all wrong ;).
My guide video is nearing completion. Should be putting that out before the end of the month. Hopefully that will generate more interest in him by some people more skilled at these games than myself.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Lol well that setup is in no way guaranteed. After the 21 xx teeth you can jump out. But if they try something else on the ground, you can catch them with this.
It basically comes down to this- Joker is very good at killing you if he touches you in the corner or near a BGB if he has the meter to do so, but he struggles very badly at opening people up due to a lack of mixup (his only low doesn't go into his launching special and he has no overhead that combos) and even getting in against some characters (bad mobility and his only counterzoning tool has alot of whiff issues). I don't think he is as bad a character as the community thinks he is, but he certainly struggles more than some in this game and has to play some matchups very specifically and flawlessly to make up for it. Once the Joker community (myself included) levels up more, the opinion might shift, so for now we'll just keep trying to prove you all wrong ;).
My guide video is nearing completion. Should be putting that out before the end of the month. Hopefully that will generate more interest in him by some people more skilled at these games than myself.
If joker had a mid hitting pistol or overhead projectile pistol he'd be top 5 and extremely viable
 

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
If joker had a mid hitting pistol or overhead projectile pistol he'd be top 5 and extremely viable
There are a lot of things that could have been done to him a while back that would have seemed ok at the time but would have left him absolutely broken now.
I think if they just made the gun hit consistently as a high (not whiff of every animation that makes a character duck the slightest bit), fixed the mid strings that whiff on crouch block, make his forward dash a bit better to give him some mobility, and maybe made his f2 and overhead to give him a little mixup, he would be top 10 or so and completely fine. I've given up on his trait lol, it has it's uses, but active frames are terrible and buff is pretty useless.
Anyways, I don't wanna de-rail your fun with the chair of goods. Good talk :).
 

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
i still have no idea why extremely slow gas can throw isnt an overhead, or the shot on MB low gas can
That would have been nice since it would catch people once in a while, but to be honest that thing is so reactable it wouldn't really make much different. Still, better than high/mid!
 

Shadow316

You inspire no fear.
Nah. All he needs is a good forward dash and he has no matchups he can't deal with.

If you want to make him top 10 then make F2 an overhead and buff his damage by 7%.
Wait, you can do 70% corner combos, yet you ask for a damage buff?

GA doesn't approve of this. :)
 

Shadow316

You inspire no fear.
Green Arrows guaranteed super reset needs buffs:DOGE
So a move that requires full meter and you typically get once in a match vs a corner combo you can do multiple times whenever your opponent is in the corner. Yeah, I see what you mean.
 

NYCj360

i Use a modded cyber now
So a move that requires full meter and you typically get once in a match vs a corner combo you can do multiple times whenever your opponent is in the corner. Yeah, I see what you mean.
you forgot to mention that it can be initiated by a trait you can reload without limit and anywhere on screen, oh and the fact that you can make heavy damage completely unclashable as to where jokers is, making it the ultimate red life option.
 

Shadow316

You inspire no fear.
trait you can reload without limit and anywhere on screen
Yeah, I love those 23% combos that to get a setup, we sacrifice damage.

oh and the fact that you can make heavy damage completely unclashable as to where jokers is, making it the ultimate red life option.
Joker's combos can drain over half the opponents first life bar, how often does GA have full meter in the first round?

GA's Super is better for the second health bar, Joker's combos are better for the first. How's that?