About the toss canceling, it only works for both Links and Peach BECAUSE when they are holding their down B items, pressing downB again makes them throw it. This tech requires you to use the DownB method of throwing to cancel landing lag.
Yeah, they are considered to be "natural" items since they are plucked into existence, unlike Pac who basically just makes them "appear" over his head.
Thank you.
Glad I was able to show you something new to improve your meta with Pac. My issue with using more normals against characters like Robin or Bowser Jr. Is really more match up specific. My experience with Robin caused me to be wary about approaches because of the tools Robin has to keep people out (Specifically Pac), and I really had no idea what to expect from Bowser Jr. Because I haven't even unlocked him yet LOL. But since you bring mention of abusing Pac's normals, which I think are good, I would be interested in hearing more about what makes them godlike. I know you can follow up the dash attack with ftilt and a couple of other moves, but I would like to know what your bnbs are after down throw.
Always willing to share tech for more tech
One way to get around the weakness of the throw being slow, is to use the fire hydrant's water to "push" and advance you during the animation so you can grab the opponent, or get pushed to safety. I almost always prefer using the throw in conjunction with the hydrant for this reason.
Cheers!
I'm going to throw stuff down as I remember it, so there is no particular order to this:
If all hits of DA hit at low %s, you can do a quick Double Jump>Uair with several good but not guaranteed followups after that (I tend to do sourspot Nair>Jabx2>Grab). You can also DJ>Fair>Fair>Jab.
Both of these work off of Dthrow>Dash Attack too. At higher percents Dthrow sets up Fair shenanigans.
Pac Man's jab game is ridiculous. I don't know why, but his jab is stupidly fast AND has great range with the last hit having enough range to beat out some sword users. Since his grab range sucks, I've been using this to punish moves on my shield a lot. On top of that, jab cancels into grabs have given me moderate success.
Bair... well you know how good that move is. Thanks for letting me know that it doesn't scale when I kick my hydrant!
Galaga ship can combo into Fair or DA (Which both can regrab the ship if you time it right) and allow for follow ups. Followups differ if you do or don't have the ship though.
Throwing the galaga ship at your Hydrant's water sends it straight up without killing the hitbox (Need to see what other fruits it affects). This allows you to punish someone trying to jump above it or trying to land.
Nair is amazing. It acts as a combo breaker, and since his other aerials have low lag, especially Fair, it allows you to punish someone for air dodging through your other aerials.
Uair has some crazy disjointed range, and move characters cannot beat it. Abuse the shit out of it.
You can follow your melon Sonic Boom style and grab if the opponent blocks it.
I really like throwing the bell at the ledge since it makes a wall then following it up with a hydrant for yet another wall. It makes recovering against PacMan from below very difficult.
That's all I have for now; I'll hit you up when I think of something else.
