Lol, So you Jump to a conclusion that i dont sub at all and that you need to explain to me cause i m smartassed idiot. No thanks i know sub probably better than you and should be me explain you Sub. I m well on the sub forums for helping the sub community, having a great sub zero and Hell the creator of the sub 51% midscreen Reset. That pretty much says i know the character well enough to talk about him.
Uh, bullshit. If you're talking about the EX groundfreeze reset, everyone seems to credit Check with that, though I've seen a handful of people doing EX ground freeze to continue a combo for many more months than that. If you're the "creator", then by all means, prove it.
I jumped to the conclusion that you don't know Sub because if you did, you'd understand that your methods are retarded. You can't get very far with Sub Zero using the sort of stupid shit you've suggested in this topic. Your concepts
Alright we do agree sub 212 is better than 22 in the corner, However if you think Sub corner reset is the best option out of all the others, Then you are the one who doesnt really Know sub corner game. First you do know Sub s Meter is his life, right?
Uh, no. No, it isn't. Sub is probably one of the absolute most meter-free characters in the entire game. Meter is important no matter what character you are, but Sub is one of the few characters whose plan of attack doesn't require meter. Sub uses meter for two things, primarily: X-ray, and EX freeze. He only needs EX freeze in matchups where he's unable to trade, and while his X-ray is great for punishing projectiles, it's far from required to win. Other than that, EX freeze is
occasionally useful as a wakeup to cut through projectiles, or as a combo ender to direct your opponent towards the corner. Great, so Sub's only consistently useful EX attack is his freeze, which he only needs to do if he's unable to land an ice ball otherwise. What else are you going to use meter for? Oh, right, that 60% reset of his. Yeah, good call.
That said, sub can do 38 with 214, iceball, 4, 224 slide, or 37 with if you switch around, 224 start up. 224 on it s own beats Most wake up on reaction allowing you combo them to the 37%. And still afterwards, you can pressure and make the same damage as the reset. By you saying the reset corner is a better option you aware of what he can really do in the corner. Sure it guarantee but you can do the same with corner combos pressure. Plus you save a meter for what could determine your victory. His gameplay is based on his Xray. You want them as sub to still expose and do mistakes where you punish them.
Ooooh, 38 percent, that's definitely comparable to 64. How the hell is Sub's gameplay "based on" his X-ray? Yeah, his X-ray is useful. That doesn't mean he absolutely relies on it to win. How many times has Tom Brady missed the X-ray completely, and still won? How many times did you see Denzel Terry use his X-ray at Evo, in both the games he won with Subs? Fun fact: The best Sub-Zero player I know seldom uses his meter for anything other than breaker, and that doesn't stop him from being dominant. More than that, you're comparing an attack that does 36% for three bars outside of a combo, or what, around 50% in combos? You can get up to 54% with an X-ray off his refreeze from midscreen, which can be as high as 67% off a jump in punch B1 2, and you're
still just barely over what you could do with one bar in the corner. Basically, what you're telling me is that it's more worthwhile to spend three bars for 36% than it is to spend one bar for 64%, which is most often enough to give you the round then and there. At this point, I almost want to ask if you're mathematically retarded, but then, you don't even understand how the hell a less-than sign works.
I never said 212 is better than 224, i said it the same. 212 iceclone is safer then 224 iceclone IMO, plus if the combos hits you can do sub reset out of it, so how it isnt as good 224. Sure 22 is a great poking/pressure so is 21. Only one thing sub 21 isnt a great AA as 22. So the same goes with 22, dont you think people would realize the same tactics? i thought you would ve realize that i would mix up my game, But get i was wrong.
Jesus christ, trying to read what you've written pains me. Did you ever think that maybe you should learn to speak English properly before you start using it to start shit to people? In either case, you have the absolute scrubbiest mentality where "mixing up your game" is concerned. Functionally, 2 1 is strictly inferior to 2 2 as a poke or pressure tool. They do the
exact same thing, but 2 1 just isn't as good at it. How the hell is it mixing it up if you do the same thing, but worse? Characters like Kung Lao and Cage can mix it up by alternating pressure strings with different hitlevels and combo properties, because those are functionally different and force your opponent to keep guessing. Alternating 2 2 and 2 1 doesn't keep your opponent guessing, because he can block both of them the exact same way (except, y'know, it's much easier for him to cross you up if you're doing 2 1). The only guess your opponent has to make when you start using 2 1 to mix it up is what sort of mental illness you have.
Oh, and 2 2 4 clone/2 1 2 clone are both equally safe from midscreen, while 2 1 2 is only safer in the corner because 1) the clone is closer to them than it would be from midscreen and 2) the clone usually whiffs after a 2 2 4 in the corner. They have roughly the same coverage, and anything that can punish you through the clone on a 2 2 4 will still punish you through the clone on 2 1 2, such as Ermac's telepush, Kenshi's teleflurry and every ranged armor attack known to man. There is no difference whatsoever between 2 1 2 clone and 2 2 4 clone, other than the fact that 2 1 2 clone occasionally pushes you further away, ostensibly at random. That really doesn't mean jack shit, because your opponent already can't pursue you through a 2 2 4 clone in most cases, and if he can do it by any means, he can do it just as easily off a max distance 2 1 2 clone. You were saying?
Of course everyone sub knows to mix up, what does do it the same thing accomplish once your opponent knows your tactics. Guess, i gotta be more clear. Looks like you are the scrub. Sure 212 can be interrupted but one would keep that in mind and cancel into 21 rather then being punish. So you are are safe, this varies through cause people would Rather block then using one meter to punish you. So there is a point taking the risk.
Jesus tapdancing christ, are you seriously this stupid? You mean to tell me that it's more beneficial for your opponent to block than it is to combo off an armor move? If your opponent has an armor move that can lead into a combo, interrupting 2 1 2 is a GUARANTEED punish, every single time you attempt it, that can safely be done on reaction. I'm not saying they have a chance to do this, I'm saying that they can easily go "Oh, he's doing 2 1 again, I can use the delay for a punish". Scorpion can EX spear for a full combo. Raiden can EX shocker for a full combo. Rain can EX roundhouse for a full combo. Skarlet can EX red dash into an upslash for a full combo. Kenshi can EX upslash and won't always get a full combo, but he'll get a minimum of 22% for one bar. These are just a few examples of the many, and anyone using these characters would be retarded not to capitalize on a 100% guaranteed combo punish just for blocking this string. Yet again, you rely on the stupidity of your opponent to carry you through the round, which is the epitome of scrubbery.
The same would go to 212 in the corner then, how do you then know when to for it? Easy taking risks and from there tweak your gameplay. Of course dont risking when you ve low health. 224 does whiff, but like i said, it stops wake up attacks and like u said the 22 on its own is his better normal. You can do 22, into another pressure normal.
...How do you then know when to for it? What in the sweet fuck did you even say? I say again: If you're going to use English to start shit with people for no reason, learn to speak it first. I don't do charity, least of all not for scrubs like you.
And yes i did say b12 is a good pressure tool, cause once it connects you can immediately follow up with 212 iceclone or other combo. Safe also. And i m seein you saying the sub d4 isnt a combo start up. Lmao do you know how good it is and how you can mix up with it. Im sorry, Sub pokes doesnt confirm like Reptile. On this point, i dont know what you making yourself look.
Well no shit you can immediately follow B1 2 with a 2 1 2: You can just as easily do that with 2 2. I can only assume you mean B1 2 freeze, because I highly doubt B1 2 jails. On that note, congratulations, you completely misunderstood the point I made about D4; I don't mean to say I'm surprised, considering you misunderstood the purpose of a less-than sign, too. D4 isn't a combo starter, and even if you can D4 freeze, that isn't confirmable, and you run the risk of eating a full combo for it. Sub's D4 isn't a combo starter, it's just a means of jailing them so a 2 2 or B1 2 followup will connect every time.
Well, so i made an error but you basically come here without knowin sub at all and saying How subzero players overlook how good the reset is the corner. Lol you are one to know to talk. And what i meant by why do you got back to ..... is because i knew you didnt know sub gameplay out of his reset, i was right
. You most of times want to be end up bein right, trying to avoid a sub questionin you and he ended up in this situation without knowing sub the well. So, Reacting like you did, means that you know that. If i were you, i wouldnt care people even bring something like that up,in the end you are Helping arent you? I would use against them, and it isnt only me who thinks like that.
Annnd, yet again, I can't even clearly understand what the hell you just said. If English is your first language, holy shit, you're a waste of air. If it isn't, you're excused for speaking it poorly, but that doesn't change the fact that you attacked me out of nowhere with a language you can't speak for shit. Any flak you take was altogether deserved from that point on, so soak it up. In either case, good talk. Keep on bottomfeeding with your Scrub Zero, and telling yourself that it makes you good.
