so everything apocalips posted is okay to post?Yeah that is very true but you have to be really expecting it. If you stop to think for even a tiny moment and try to punish it you WILL get hit. It's more of a reaction punish than anything.
as for Sub-Zero. Yeah rush down with cross ups so you mess up his Ice Clone input even then the ice clone will not come out if it would instantly freeze you. You can punish his Ice Clone with a simple Teleport. Sub is still recovering from Ice Clone. Of course it's risky if u time it wrong you can always get punished.