Match-up Discussion Smoke vs. ________ Match Up Thread

[Son of TomBrady]

Yeah that is very true but you have to be really expecting it. If you stop to think for even a tiny moment and try to punish it you WILL get hit. It's more of a reaction punish than anything.

as for Sub-Zero. Yeah rush down with cross ups so you mess up his Ice Clone input even then the ice clone will not come out if it would instantly freeze you. You can punish his Ice Clone with a simple Teleport. Sub is still recovering from Ice Clone. Of course it's risky if u time it wrong you can always get punished.

so everything apocalips posted is okay to post?

 

[ApocaLips]

so everything apocalips posted is okay to post?

I'm not saying this to be mean or inflammatory, so please don't take this the wrong way. If you can't tell whether or not my advice makes sense, maybe you shouldn't be the one running this thread. Appealing to some other random internet poster to make the decision for you seems very weird.


@Lamb: I punish Kung Lao teleports on reaction in even the thickest of lag. As long as you aren't in the middle of a move, punishing it with an uppercut is absolutely no problem. Good Kung Laos know this and won't throw it out randomly unless it's the enhanced version.


Anyway, I just finished a bunch of matches with a tournament level noob player. I'd post the matchup info I got from the experience, but I'll wait to see if my advice is actually going to be used.

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

Not sure of u guys know this but ice clone is no match for smoke's bf, 3. This smoke teleport goes right thru subzero's ice clones.

 

[ApocaLips]

Yeah, his teleport is completely invincible. Nothing with a hit box can hurt him while he's in that smoke cloud (I've gone through Johnny Cage's kick with it, lol). I don't think that teleporting through Sub's clone is a good idea though, as he'll be waiting for you with a mixup on the other side. Your normals are slower than his, so it's a disadvantageous situation to be in.

 

[Son of TomBrady]

Dont trip about it
After playing at the pdp tourney in vegas i learned a lot of shit from high lvl players. Just the thing is the game is going to be patched soon like next week and rumor has it smokes smoke bomb isnt going to otg

But if he cand do a 30-40% damging combo without meter ill stick with him
Plus no otg smoke bomb= no big damage x ray juggle.. .

 

[hardwire]

Dont trip about it
After playing at the pdp tourney in vegas i learned a lot of shit from high lvl players. Just the thing is the game is going to be patched soon like next week and rumor has it smokes smoke bomb isnt going to otg

But if he cand do a 30-40% damging combo without meter ill stick with him
Plus no otg smoke bomb= no big damage x ray juggle.. .

i love that boon was there and no one asked him

ive been doing fine with out it but i dont like the idea of somthing like this geting patched out i say wake up spin kung lau is broken fix him

or cyraxes bomb traps

 

[ApocaLips]

He can still get 37% off of some options. However, a character doesn't just need one high damage combo off of one option. A character needs high all-around abare, and the nerf really messes that up. His one big selling point - huge damage off of j.k OS air throw - will be completely gone after the patch, and there will be no way to get that damage back up.

It's going to be a harsh nerf for sure. We'll see how harsh soon, but since Smoke was already not really a top character, I think it's going to push him down squarely into the realm of mediocrity.

 

[hardwire]

every one probly knows this but i found out somthing nice last night

if you jk them while they are on the ground and you hit you can follow it up with an air throw (a standing opponent)

 

[ApocaLips]

Yeah, everyone knows this, and it's an important part of Smoke's game. Check the guide

 

[hardwire]

Yeah, everyone knows this, and it's an important part of Smoke's game. Check the guide

you do know i was not refering to in the air right?

 

[ApocaLips]

Yes. I know. How else would you cross up with a jump kick?

 

[MKF30]

Smoke I think matches up well against a lot of good characters. Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Ermac, Scorp etc hopefully he won't get nerfed that much, same as Ermac I'm hoping

 

[hardwire]

Yes. I know. How else would you cross up with a jump kick?

ok cool my bad i thouhgt yall meant both had to be in the air for it to work

alright back to finding more stuff

 

[lambofgodfn]

Dont trip about it
After playing at the pdp tourney in vegas i learned a lot of shit from high lvl players. Just the thing is the game is going to be patched soon like next week and rumor has it smokes smoke bomb isnt going to otg

But if he cand do a 30-40% damging combo without meter ill stick with him
Plus no otg smoke bomb= no big damage x ray juggle.. .

im disappointed on the PDP tourney. i'd money match JWong (with the little i have xD) ANY DAY!. idk personally im very surprised he won. im sure the better players lacked money for transportation. and LOL on the permission to post. He's very correct on what he said. i mean it's pretty much the same thing i said just some extra things i didn't throw in there. Apocalips is a very knowledgeable player. Mad respect dawg

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

im disappointed on the PDP tourney. i'd money match JWong (with the little i have xD) ANY DAY!. idk personally im very surprised he won. im sure the better players lacked money for transportation. and LOL on the permission to post. He's very correct on what he said. i mean it's pretty much the same thing i said just some extra things i didn't throw in there. Apocalips is a very knowledgeable player. Mad respect dawg

i know what you mean. But due to the control restriction, a lot of players didnt go because it was mandatory to play on their PDP stick.

anyone got video of mark man's smoke?

 

[ApocaLips]

Son of TomBrady, are you still planning on maintaining this thread?

 

[c_red]

Anyway, I just finished a bunch of matches with a tournament level noob player. I'd post the matchup info I got from the experience, but I'll wait to see if my advice is actually going to be used.

well if the smoke users won't appreciate the info I sure will, I've already made a note to read your write up on ermac vs. smoke as I plan to learn him after noob.

So, at least I would like to know how the matchup was looking.

 

[ApocaLips]

The matchup info is in my guide on SRK if you want to look. Glad you're interested.

If this thread stays unmaintained, I might just make a new one in the interest of keeping discussion alive and updated.

 

[c_red]

kk, thanks
looking forward to reading it