RiBBz22
TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Yeah, that is why I almost didn't respond to it in the first place lmao
Yeah, that is why I almost didn't respond to it in the first place lmao
I actually do think smoke is a beast it's just funny how people get worked up. Do I legit think smoke is 10-12th??? Yes I don't think he is as viable as the characters next to him like Kang n reptile but he is still good just a dumb design. Still want armor on ex bomb or tele punch though.
smoke and sub zero is very 5-5
LBSH Smoke beats Shang 7-3
Probably; getting out of Shang's upskull pressure for free up-close probably tips the scale closer to 7-3.
I am saying right now I think it is 5-5 but it is bordering on advantage Cyrax. I honestly feel it is slight advantage Cyrax after playing Krayzie because of the way he played the MU...but that was online so it doesn't means very little. Cyrax pressure and D4 advantage gives Smoke more problems than I want to admit.
LBSH, 7-3 Smoke.
I have watched F0xy's Rain and it is awesome. I don't see how you couldn't agree that he can overcome a 4-6 with him. Rain has to come to Smoke and his teleport and advancing strings are hella whiff punishable.
Smoke can play his game against Ermac and get into the position he wants (edge of push range where he can bait and punish with SB), whereas Ermac has to react to reposition himself and get back into push range. Ermac loses all projectile trades and has slower normals which won't allow him to use his heavy punishes against Smoke's mistakes. Since Smoke's normals are faster than Ermac's, he can also handle himself up close in this MU as well and Ermac has to worry about trying to escape pressure with the threat of Smoke cancelling normals into SB.
I expressed my thoughts on the Cyrax MU in my response to HAN. I don't agree with 7-3 Styker but you might have a point with Kano. I guess I don't play that MU often enough but I am sure that
The purpose is to promote MU discussion. Maybe someone has insight you have not thought of...that type of thing. There are a lot of collective minds here that have good thoughts to contribute that you might not think to consider when just playing the match out in the game.
Well we could start by making a list of strings characters have which whiff on Smoke when he is crouching and potential punishes be it a d1 or 2. We could also make proper list of which characters smoke's 112 string hits on crouch block. We could also make a list of characters who Smoke can stuff their down 3s with his standing 3. I'm not going to do it today maybe later this week when I have somebody to hold a controller for me.
No its not a hit on his rain. It's just that I don't think smoke really beats him in the footsie department, they're really even. Smoke has a reset, rain has almost as good damage w crazy armor and lots of great tools. It seems super fair to me. Like smoke kenshi.... Excellent examples of 5-5s Imo.
I think Smoke's footsies are slightly better, but I just think the real advantage in this MU is that Smoke is pretty free to be in his comfort zone of moving around the screen, forcing Rain to attack, and picking his spots to bait/punish him. I just feel like he has to take a lot of risks to get in and once Smoke gets the life lead it can be really tough with SB being able to punish whiffed attacks and specials.
Same question.
Ribbz answered it.
