if they gives him shake he will stupid good.
Shake is really good, but honestly Force Lift and Slide aren't the best as they currently are so I think it balances out.
Shake is not really good. Shake is slow af, half the time meter burn doesnt come out, some procjectiles cant be reacted to, lows destroy it. Its bad, really bad. Only works on spammers that dont know any better.
How is it slow? Do you really need a 1 frame projectile parry vs 90% of projectiles?
It really doesnt, its too slow on start up. It needs to be faster. Could be an online thing and lag, but if the lag makes it bad the move is bad. Also should last longer, especially if you meter burn it. I cant count how many times it runs out right as an attack hits. Almost looking like i just stood there and never used it at all. If it was good, then youd see it actually utilized to frightning degree. Do you? I dont, show me where people are using it and going “ damn that thing is making me scared”. Game is predominantly played online. Very few of us pay attention to tournament as far as popularity goes. Needs to be balanced accordingly. And the fact it takes up a slot in place of another move is also a slight against it if its going to be his toolset it needs to be just as threatening and good as say jacqui cancels, jax pressure, liu kang dominance with f4, kollectors weird moveset, scorpions unpredictability, etc.. shang poses no real threat the way he is designed once you understand him. Hes slow, his moves all have gaps, his range is like a t-rex boxing mr fantastic, and his slide doesnt go far enough, and is extremely slow and predictable outside b1 50 50, or combos.
You can literally react to kabals buzzsaw with shake, this move helps shang tremendously in this matchup and I‘m pretty sure there are more projectiles you can react to.
I never mentioned kabal
The timing to amp it is precise. It has to be immediately after you input the 3 in db3. If you do it at the same time it doesn't amp, if you wait too long it doesn't amp. Mashing r1 isn't reliable. It's literally db3r1.
It‘s just an example of where shake is really useful. As I said I‘m sure there are more projectiles that can be stuffed on reaction.
Too slow for you I guess but I wouldn't write that up as a character flaw.
After hundreds of matches i find that statement to be false. Sure i may be bad, thats a possibility, but the move being under powered is also a posibility. since it is a core part of his gameplay there should be no projectile you cant react to if your paying attention and reading it correctly.
One example is not all examples. Thats like saying, this fighter beat this champion that was undefeated so he can beat everyone. Where in reality, one guys beats an undefeated guy, but always gets destroyed by a guy that could never beat said champion. I think thats the analogy that makes the most sense.
I know this pain lol. A good buff would be allow delay meter burn. Compared to most of the shenanigans and dirt i dont see how that could be detrimental. With lag i feel it comes out a lot more rarely. Which sucks. Make the right read, go right into normal shake and eat crow.
On the other side a tool doesn’t need to beat everything to be good. You said there is no fear factor, in the kabal mu shake actually act as one and there are probably more than only this.
That fear is all but eleminated once up close and kabal can abuse his plus frames, and its nkt that hard to get in on soul stealer. Im not a kabal player though. I have just played a lot of kabals. I feel you may be weary of it from mid to long range, other than that, non existant. Whats your take on getting in?
Sure i agree but when they design other tools for other characters to be good on anything it hurts this character. If they are not going to tone that stuff down, why limit shangs ability with subpar design choices? I personally want better for the character to hang with others. Being at the point of balance is great as tats what hes seen as by a majority of tier list theorists, but if mos others just completely outpace his potential why settle for such a low bar in comparison?
I still believe that Shapeshifter's Training is probably mid tier, but the super kick definitely sucks for all the reasons that you named.
