Match-up Discussion Reptile Matchup Discussion Thread

[Konqrr]

I realize that there might be a matchup thread already in this forum, but the point of this thread is to discuss matchups to make the Matchup Chart as accurate as possible.

The Matchup Chart thread:
http://testyourmight.com/forum/showthread.php?3075-Mortal-Kombat-(2011)-Matchup-Chart

When you discuss or list what you think the matchups are, please do so in alphabetical order. Also, they should be listed in either whole numbers or .5 notations.

The current Matchup Chart for Reptile is as follows:
7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
6-4 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
7-3 vs Johnny Cage
5-5 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
xxx vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
6-4 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
xxx vs Skarlet
6-4 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
6-4 vs Sub-Zero

Agree? Disagree? DISCUSS!

5-5 vs Cyrax ??
6-4 vs Johnny Cage ??
5.5-4.5 vs Kano ??
5-5 vs Kenshi ??
4.5-5.5 vs Kitana ??
5-5 vs Kung Lao ??
5-5 vs Liu Kang ??
7-3 vs Nightwolf ??
5-5 vs Noob Saibot ??
5-5 vs Raiden ??
6-4 vs Rain ??
5-5 vs Scorpion ??
5-5 vs Sektor ??
4-6 vs Skarlet ??
4-6 vs Sonya Blade ??
5-5 vs Sub-Zero ??

 

[CitizenSnips]

I still don't agree with Reptile v. Cage being a 7-3.

I do agree that Reptile probably has the advantage but I don't think it's that significant and on the same level as the other 7-3 matchups. While Cage can be zoned quite easily if he doesn't have meter, I still think with enhanced shadow kick and frametraps, he can't be completely counted out.

I have read that Reptile can escape the traps with elbow dash, would anyone like to tell me exactly where? Also the Reptile v. Kabal matchup I think it can potentially be in Kabal's favor. The most consistent ways I can beat Kabal is to zone, but that's assuming I have a health advantage already. But I think Kabal can outzone Reptile and also I think his pressuring is a bit better

 

[Milkman]

I still don't agree with Reptile v. Cage being a 7-3.

I do agree that Reptile probably has the advantage but I don't think it's that significant and on the same level as the other 7-3 matchups. While Cage can be zoned quite easily if he doesn't have meter, I still think with enhanced shadow kick and frametraps, he can't be completely counted out.

I have read that Reptile can escape the traps with elbow dash, would anyone like to tell me exactly where? Also the Reptile v. Kabal matchup I think it can potentially be in Kabal's favor. The most consistent ways I can beat Kabal is to zone, but that's assuming I have a health advantage already. But I think Kabal can outzone Reptile and also I think his pressuring is a bit better

Yeah tbh I still don't see how that Cage matchup is 7-3 for Reptile, I see it as more 6-4 if anything.

And the Kabal matchup I see in our favor 6-4. If they try to zone, a blocked projectile is usually a forceball they will have to respect.

 

[xxteefxx]

No no..... there's a lot of nonsense in here, and to be honest i would put it in the trash can. with all due respect of course.

here's my opinion. and i bet alot of reptile players will agree on this.

Retpile VS opponent:

7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
6-4 vs Jax
5.5-4.5 vs Johnny Cage
4-6 vs Kabal
5.5-4.5 vs Kano
5-5 vs Kenshi
4.5-5.5 vs Kitana (i can say 5 -5...though, online not included in this case)
5-5 vs Kung Lao ( 5 -5 on high level, if you dont know kung, can reach 6 -4 kung favor)
5-5 vs Liu Kang
4-6 vs Mileena
7-3 vs Nightwolf (in order not to conflict, 6 -4 rep favor)
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Scorpion
5-5 vs Sektor
3-7 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
4-6 vs Skarlet
4-6 vs Smoke
4-6 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
5-5 vs Sub-Zero


Nightwolf: 7-3 can be too much and a lot of people dis agree with me on this, though i played against the Top NW players online, as well as good NW offline. out of 10 matches, they won only 3 or 4 tops.

Shangtsung: people are not aware of this. Shang tsung combos in corner staggers on block (cannot pre buffer for a long period), followed up by Up skull or low is completely safe. if a dash is done, low skull will cancel the dash. if high skull is preformed,then the dash must be preformed immediately after the string, in such case it's a more 50 - 50 gambling. Shang tsung corner pressure, by far , is the best in the Game!
not only that, it's SO difficult for reptile to even approach shang from full zone. eat one ground skull launcher and it can lead to UN breakable 40% Plus combos.

Jhonny: A 5.5 -4.5. i dont know WHO is saying it's 7 -3! but i sparr with Marvaz a lot online...lately not though. also, i played a lot of cages offline. this match can reach 5- 5...never fully reptile favor

Smoke: This is by far, the worst matchup for Reptile in my opinion! i would GLADLY give it 7 -3 smoke favor as well! sadly, i play VERY few good smoke offline players.

 

[CitizenSnips]

I gotta agree with teef on a lot of things. I fought Marvaz as well offline and got my ass handed to me so bad. I also agree with 5-5 vs. Cyrax, and the Mileena matchup

I think against Smoke it is 6-4 Reptile or 5-5. I feel like once Reptile gets close, it's no competition but obviously the Smoke player will be trying their best to not let that happen, hence the 5-5.

I disagree with 5-5 vs. Kung Lao. I feel like you can't do much to Kung Lao besides reacting to what he does. But maybe I'm just not playing the right way for that matchup.

I disagree with 3-7 vs. Shang Tsung. Maybe a 5-5 at worst because if you are at the other side of the screen, it can be a bitch to get back in close. But again like Smoke's case, once you get close Tsung has little to offer.

 

[PND OmegaK]

The ones in yellow are the ones I made changes too.

7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
0-10 vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
6-4 vs Jax
6-4 vs Johnny Cage
5-5 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
xxx vs Kenshi
4-6 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
6-4 vs Liu Kang
4-6 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
5-5 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
xxx vs Skarlet
6-4 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
5-5 vs Sub-Zero

-Cyrax makes Reptile tred carefully, which isn't pleasant considering he moves so slowly. A badly read elbow dash will lead to a 50% combo from a net.
-I think Jax is a lot better than people make him out to be, he can definitely give Reptile a hard time in the right situations.
-Cage definitely loses the match-up, but I don't understand why so badly? Reptile still takes a hefty amount of damage once hes in the block strings.
-Kitana makes forceball pressure redundant and holy fuck I just hate her in general god damn shit balls.
-Liu kang is pretty much the same as cage IMO, I've never had a problem with him, but it's all experience I suppose.
-Mileena match-up is bad, but not that bad, I reckon she's pretty easy to shut down once you get the momentum going, but it's hard to actually start up.
-Reptile has to take a mound of damage to try and get close to noob, getting forceballs out can be tricky for him too, which makes getting close even harder.
-Teef covered the shang one nicely.
-Sub Zero shuts down elbow dash, and forces reptile into corners easily.

 

[Agilaz]

The ones in yellow are the ones I made changes too.

7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
0-10 vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
6-4 vs Jax
6-4 vs Johnny Cage
5-5 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
xxx vs Kenshi
4-6 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
6-4 vs Liu Kang
4-6 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
5-5 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
xxx vs Skarlet
6-4 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
5-5 vs Sub-Zero

-Cyrax makes Reptile tred carefully, which isn't pleasant considering he moves so slowly. A badly read elbow dash will lead to a 50% combo from a net.
-I think Jax is a lot better than people make him out to be, he can definitely give Reptile a hard time in the right situations.
-Cage definitely loses the match-up, but I don't understand why so badly? Reptile still takes a hefty amount of damage once hes in the block strings.
-Kitana makes forceball pressure redundant and holy fuck I just hate her in general god damn shit balls.
-Liu kang is pretty much the same as cage IMO, I've never had a problem with him, but it's all experience I suppose.
-Mileena match-up is bad, but not that bad, I reckon she's pretty easy to shut down once you get the momentum going, but it's hard to actually start up.
-Reptile has to take a mound of damage to try and get close to noob, getting forceballs out can be tricky for him too, which makes getting close even harder.
-Teef covered the shang one nicely.
-Sub Zero shuts down elbow dash, and forces reptile into corners easily.

I disagree with the Sindel matchup. While she doesn't have that much in store up close, if there's a full screen between her and Reptile getting in is no easy task with all those fireballs she can throw. I'd say a 5-5, perhaps even a 4-6. Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong, could be.

 

[PND OmegaK]

Sindel is tricky but I've only ever played against 2 of them in my life, so it's probably not fair to make a judgment on the match-up.

 

[xxteefxx]

i wanna say couple of things.

-First of, i dont know why i wrote Lui kang VS reptile as 4 - 6 lui favor. this is in my opinion, a pure 5 -5 due to a lot of reasons.

-as for jax, i cannot stress the fact that cr+4 stuff everything for jax as will as Elbow dash. FB okizeme Shuts down jax completely. those reasons,Makes jax, Only good in close due to his unblock able resets...which are escapable if you know them! other than that, he doesnt have much at all except his close pressure, OTG and traps/unblockables.

-jhonny cage does have a good answer to reptile! really good answers. great wake up game, and great zoner as well as close range (thnx to his charge Kick and EX version as well). this is actually 5 - 5. though! so far i dont lose that much against cages when i play with reptile in a serious ft (score)...so i would say it's slightly reptile favor (around 5.5 - 4.5 tops!)

-As for shang tsung, Kung,smoke and kabal....You guys have to either play against, Hdcloud or triumph ( Kung lao and triumph with smoke) or Shorry (Smoke) or detroitballn313 shang and kabal!! or mike's kabal...cause seriously, your missing a lot if u didnt.

-To Agilaz: Sindel is really bad in this matchup. people always play with her wrong as well. Sindel to counter reptile, is by Going full throtle close pressure...which she doesnt have a lot of option in this case but couple of footsies and scream traps (which is easy to break as well).
Sindel goin Projectile, then she simply killed herself if she ate ANY FB. she has a horrible Wake up that reptile counters easily with either : Cr+4~ strings, Elbow dahs, or FB okizeme

Sindel is free.... 6 - 4 rep favor

 

[THTB]

I don't get why anyone has Noob at 5-5. Noob can't outprojectile or keep out Reptile, unless I'm just not playing good enough Noobs.

Nightwolf is definitely that bad of a matchup for him. What is he gonna do to stop d4 besides EX shoulder? Nothing. We dictate this matchup too easily. I agree with Teef.

Smoke is definitely in favor of us. He isn't going to keep us out and up close he isn't that strong. In terms of footsies, we have the edge for sure.

Mileena is REALLY bad for us. We have to get in to do anything, which is hard anyway. From range, even if we get ahead in the projectile war, telekick is safe vs Reptile if he standblocks it, and our punish is minimal if we crouchblock. Her footsies game is arguably better, as well. It's not a 4-6. It's DEFINITELY worse.

Skarlet...hmm...I'm interested in why this would be a 4-6, Teef. Share the technology, sir!

I don't agree with Shang being that bad. Elbow gives him too much trouble properly pinpointing where to upskull. It's likely in our favor, but possibly just 5-5 since I haven't played a Shang like Valle or DetroitBallin.

Jax isn't doing anything to get in. At all. He isn't stopping d4. d4 in general destroys him too bad. That's a 7-3 Reptile.

Other than that, my list is the exact same as Teef's.

 

[xxteefxx]

YAY! this is getting solid through out the long run!

yo THTB

alright, i must say in that case...cause your not the first person who said Smokes VS reptile is reptile favor. Smoke and shang, are the only two matches that i BARELY play offline....which is so sad, they are so popular chars online and yet, nobody in philly plays with them.
so for smoke, i only play online....and i really do get bodied! general smoke players are somehow easy, though their are some players that i played and they FOR SURE dominate me.

Shorry (crazy_shorry_88) : his smoke is amazing
Triumph: (Crazy_triumph_88): his smoke is also amazing
gamerblake90Crazy_blake_88): his smoke is also decent. i find it fair for me to fight him online compared to triumph and shorry due to WAY LESS lag (i am east coast and both shorry and triumph are west.....horrid lag!)

so if u can confirm , can u fight em (in case if u never fought good smokes, which i doubt), and tell me what you think of the match up?
for now, seriously i will take back my words and get back to fight a lot of smokes and see whats my problem...i might be doing something wrong.
beside that, if u have any tips or if we can discuss this. then that will help me a lot! lol

now the weird thing is, I see mileena is easier than smoke O_O!! .... i play all the time offline against mil players, best of them was (zeroeffect, who will attend SJ5 as well), and play a lot of them online (Pigofthehut, Zero,saibot MK)
Online, it's UN bearable at times! but offline, i feel like it can reach a good 4.5 - 5.5. ...i have control over mil match over smokes...and maybe that's my problem, i dont know lol

-as for shangtsung, i really said the same! all i can tell you is , PLEASE try hitting up Detroitballn313 on PSN or OFFLINE! (i think he's also on XBL?)...he's really an amazing Shangtsung. we also saw Woundcowboy, i believe that's his name? was in yesterday tournament (CCC by Farmer and silent, crazy 88 clan). Cowboy is on XBL, and he's really good! detroit went nuts when he saw his play style lol. i will get you the exact name so you can try him out if you want.

but anyways,i never had any problem with shang untill they changed my mind(good shang's). i remember i was on the trial for 88, and people said detroit plays with shang...so i was like, that's cake. Detroit responded with "lol we will see"
30 min after, i seriously saw weird stuff O_O! lol
the problem is all about his CORNER PRESSURE! not only that, his combos are atleast 35% without effort and un breakable ofcourse (can reach 50% easily)...and if it ended with Soul steal, and they KNOW how to play with rep! then your doomed! imagine reptile with double your strength for a period of a good time....really scary!

try him out! cause if you proved am wrong, then seriously, mad respects! it will completely change my play style in that case lol

-As for skarlet. a friend of mine plays with her, and he plays mostly offline (i only had like 3 settings with him tops). his skarlett is AMAZING! i will get his PSN and post it to you in here and PM. (let me call him early tomorrow and will post the name for sure)
the reason why skarlet is good is because (in my opinion)

1-AMAZING at close range and pressure. Massive mix ups and when combo links, it's all resets for more pressure and mix ups

2-Her EX dash is AMAZING!! it goes through projectile, very fast, and can reach reptile form jumping distance!! which is too much. not only that, her ex dash has an armor, so it's amazing as anti frame traps, block strings...etc. so seriously, it can be used like reptiles Elbow dash

3- Her range game is TOO MUCH! all she has to do is Spam fast knives....it's really too much for reptile to maneuver. whether reptile taking risky attempts of fire ball hit trade or elbow dash. Knives builts meter, annoys the crap out of you, and can be set for traps.

her traps of EX dash and get close for mix up, counter reptiles DASH! it counters and absorb projectils...etc

4- Her frame trap of close range IA K is too powerful! it puts her to the ground completely safe! not a fast uppercut can even counter that....

5-very decent wake up and good defense in general

6-Her footsie are REALLY strong and safe. OS f+4~ dash it VERY usefull. It's fast that shuts down Reptiles Tc's and stuff in due to the f+4,3 Retreat at the end. puttin her to safety and knocking opponent down (somehow another way of Kenshi SC...just a toned down version ofcourse). not only that, but most of her TC's Put her to safety on block (except for b+1,1)

i feel she's somehow , a different version of Mileena...though her teleport is not safe on block (unlike Mil jail regular teleport or EX teleport safety)
the only way i was able to beat steve was using Kenshi! so i can punish her turtling/ escape/zone game.

for now, i wont be biased and i would say it feels like Skarlet favor somehow. i gave it 4 -6 just for now...that doesnt mean i might be wrong ofcourse!
sadly, not a lot of people play with skarlet .... so really, if you fought good skarlet and have different opportunity man, then please share it ^_^ (i might be even playin the match wrong)

thnx for your post THTB, like always

 

[THTB]

I think all those guys are PS3, unfortunately. I'm 360 only.

A lot of the Skarlet stuff is why I particularly feel that matchup is way in her favor. And me and REO played enough prior to EVO to make the Mileena matchup feel just plain wrong at times to me. :/

For Smoke, I kinda exaggerated on him not being strong up close. For sure he's solid up close, but it's getting to that specific range vs Reptile that's not entirely great, nor is trying to keep away from him.

For sure, though, vs Shang, you probably have way more experience. Most Shangs I played against, I didn't really have much of a problem.

Also, for the Kabal matchup, for sure is in Kabal's favor. I felt it couldn't have been any better than 5-5 since PowerUp when I played Mike.

 

[Necrocyte]

7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
6-4 vs Johnny Cage
4-6 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
5-5 vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
3-7 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
5-5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
5-5 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
7-3 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
4-6 vs Skarlet
6-4 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
7-3 vs Sub-Zero

Ok, here is my list of OPINIONS. changes from original post are highlighted green.

I wish to start off by saying I AGREE 100% with mileena being 3-7 Mileena's favor, if not on the verge of 2-8. I have several practice buddies that are of top quality Mileena, and there is just no way around it. If you play the matchup enough (I DO...) you will feel they designed Mileena to counter Reptile.

Cyrax: Even match in my opinion can go either way. One of my practice buddies mains with cyrax, and don't flame me for this but, he is one of the top ranked players on PSN with him. We have very very good and close games, pretty much dead even. Hence my vote.

Johnny Cage: Yes definitely Reptile favored, but I think more along the lines of 6-4 rather than 7-3, its favored but not easy as 7-3 would suggest.

Kabal: I feel Kabal has slightly better zoning and in this matchup I think at the top level that gives him a 1 point favor.

Kenshi: I've played only a few really solid Kenshi players, and it was close.

Kung Lao: Everyone is 3-7 vs KL.

Noob: One of the best players I've practiced with mained with noob. He shut me down pretty damn convincingly. That was a couple of months ago, but it was enough for me to bring this to even. I don't usually have any trouble with Noob these days, but I haven't come across another at this kid's potential. So, I guess I'll have to run some more games vs him sometime soon for a more accurate vote.

Scorpion: Add Insanity5k if you play on PSN. BEST Scorpion you will ever play. He has a unique approach and the pressure and mixups he throws at you is pretty "insane". Seriously...I have a new respect for Scorpion from him, and he kicks my ass a lot more than I beat him up, but I'm getting better as I decipher his playstyle. If I voted purely based on his Scorpion I'd put it in Scorpion's favor, I want you other PSN Reptile's to play him and see if it's just me. Who's up for it?

Sheeva: Nope.

Skarlet: A really good Skarlet can time the projectiles perfectly to offer great zoning and that teleport and her speed are enough for a 1 point favor vs Reptile IMO.

Sub-Zero: Ok, from what I gather from other people it's a close match, but I just don't agree period. I feel you can beat Sub-Zero alone with well timed zoning and short pressure mixups for respect then back into zoning. One of my easiest matchups personally.

 

[McNasty]

7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
6-4 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
6-4 vs Johnny Cage
5-5 vs Kabal
5-5 vs Kano
xxx vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
6-4 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
6-4 vs Scorpion
5-5 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
xxx vs Skarlet
6-4 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
5-5 vs Sub-Zero

 

[CitizenSnips]

Well since I posted part of my opinion I might as well post my list:


7-3 vs Baraka
5-5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
5-5 vs Johnny Cage
4.5-5.5 vs Kabal
5.5-4.5 vs Kano
xxx vs Kenshi
5-5 vs Kitana
4-6 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
6-4 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
6-4 vs Raiden
xxx vs Rain
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
6-4 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
xxx vs Skarlet
5-5 vs Smoke
6-4 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
6-4 vs Sub-Zero

 

[THTB]

My full list right now would be:

6-4 vs Baraka
4.5-5.5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
5.5-4.5 vs Johnny Cage
4-6 vs Kabal
5.5-4.5 vs Kano
5-5 vs Kenshi
5-5 vs Kitana
5-5 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6.5-3.5 vs Nightwolf
5.5-4.5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Scorpion
4.5-5.5 vs Sektor
5-5 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
3-7 vs Skarlet
5.5-4.5 vs Smoke
5-5 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
6-4 vs Sub-Zero

 

[RapZiLLa54]

My full list right now would be:
5-5 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang

Interesting, why do you find Liu Kang tougher than Kung Lao?

Kang I find we can shut his wake up game down, his full screen kick doesn't hit us if we do a projectile so if they ever throw that out its a free combo.

Then again I just have no answer to Kung Lao, my reactions aren't good enough to punish the low hat pressure, REO always gets me with a point blank spin at that point. Him vs me is like 10-0 though so it doesn't matter lol. I don't fair to well vs Classy Sasquatchs Lao either

 

[CitizenSnips]

Playing more and more Sektor's makes me think that the matchup isn't as easy for us as I had originally thought. Once you get knocked down by a missile, the fight is a pain.

 

[dribirut]

My full list right now would be:

7-3 vs Baraka
4.5-5.5 vs Cyber Sub-Zero
5-5 vs Cyrax
6-4 vs Ermac
xxx vs Freddy Krueger
5-5 vs Jade
7-3 vs Jax
5.5-4.5 vs Johnny Cage
4-6 vs Kabal
5.5-4.5 vs Kano
5-5 vs Kenshi
5-5 vs Kitana
5-5 vs Kung Lao
4-6 vs Liu Kang
3-7 vs Mileena
6.5-3.5 vs Nightwolf
5.5-4.5 vs Noob Saibot
6-4 vs Quan Chi
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Scorpion
4.5-5.5 vs Sektor
5-5 vs Shang Tsung
6-4 vs Sheeva
6-4 vs Sindel
3-7 vs Skarlet
5.5-4.5 vs Smoke
5-5 vs Sonya Blade
6-4 vs Stryker
6-4 vs Sub-Zero

i agree with all of them except liu kang which i think is even or in slight favor for us and nightwolf which i think is even

 

[dribirut]

I am so damn tired of kung lao in this game. Its to the point when i see someone pick him even though that player does not have that good of a record, i feel instantly annoyhed and soometimes just quit...

He is so damn unfair and better than the rest of the cast.

spin, spin, spin, spin, 1,2 low hat, roll, 1,2, low hat, spin spin spin spin spin spin spin spin, and also has a low ass hitbox.. wtf

and his damn little 1,2 low hat is sooo close of being an infinite because of the delay in online its stupid..

I get up to 16 game unbeaten streak on rank beating good player then a random ass kunglao comes in and cheaps his way to victory...
i try and start up my streak again get to twelve and then another not so good player using kl gets the best of me.

And before you say the matchup is horrible for me, its not. i main reptile and even though mileena is a faaaar worse matchup than kl i 100 times rather play her as she doesnt seem chheap and annoying...

OK Done..
ps i hate kung lao with a passion

 

[THTB]

i agree with all of them except liu kang which i think is even or in slight favor for us and nightwolf which i think is even

Kang is pretty much better up close than we are, and from range, he pretty much destroys us. Our only serious advantage is that we have better whiff punishment. Those two areas in that matchup are really difficult to deal with.

Nightwolf is not going to stop d4. Ever. He can try, but he won't. Not without meter he won't be building. It's a VERY hard matchup for Nightwolf.

Kung Lao is probably more of a 4.5-5.5, but it's not like Kung Lao will win just because he can. The advantage isn't that heavy.

Also, Sektor is massively underrated. This character is good lol. The cyborgs in general are really strong, I've noticed.

 

[THTB]

Sorry to double post, but just bumping the topic for a specific reason.

Just played JoseDaCuban. Wow. That set of matches was enough to convince me that we don't beat Baraka 7-3 at all, nor am I convinced he is that bad. This character...is so overlooked and brushed to the side it's not even funny. If anything, the matchup is just 6-4. Once Baraka has meter, you don't really want to forceball much since reaction EX charge is way too easy, so this kinda hurts your keepaway game, and since he possesses the same d4 as you, as well as a hop move of his own, footsies is pretty close to even...only advantage being that your d4 is better due to acid hand. But either way he has a better time getting in upon getting a bar, and once he gets in, his pressure is pretty good, and is actually pretty frightening after you block a JP of his, since he can either 50/50 you, make you block a 221+2 for meter building + advantage on block that's enough to make f4 guaranteed if you jump, or just throw you. And since Reptile's normals are slow, and he lacks armor on anything but X-Ray, this match gets kinda tough once he gets in.

Now I understand what Tom was talking about with 221+2 lockdown.

 

[Raiman]

I believe Reptile vs Raiden is still 6-4 in Reptiles favor for these reasons taken straight from the Raiden matchup thread

1. Raidens Superman linked after a F+2,4 string doesn't work on Reptile, if Superman and Elbow Dash are done at the same time after this string Raiden and Reptile will go right past each other, this takes away a big part of Raidens pressure game because a smart Reptile knows this and will never do anything after F+2,4 but block or dash, putting you in a lose lose situation.

2. Vicinity Blast wiffs when Reptile is blocking during it so his block infinate doesn't work. Also, he cant link in Vicinity Blast after any blocked combo to continue pressure. For example, 3,3,4, Vicinity Blast has major advantage on block on most characters but not Reptile (and a few others), so again that takes away another huge part of Raidens pressure game, you'll have to burn meter on an EX Vicinity blast against reptile.

3. Raidens last main pressure method is to Teleport in between strings to create a guessing game, well Reptiles dash is so fast that its fairly easy to punish Raidens Teleport even if its during a blocked string. I get punished by Elbow dash about 50 to 60% of the time when I try it against a good Reptile. And thats about all Raidens pressure completely shut down.

4. Reptile can punish Raiden in between his strings with dash, need I say more

*** I did find out however that after a F+2,4 string you can do B+3,2,1 and it will hit reptile and you don't have to dash or move forward at all, so all though the Superman method doesn't work so well, this method does. I have no idea if this can be interupted, but I've never played against a Reptile that gets a Dash in before I can do B+3 if I time it right, so thats how I continue pressure against Reptile, but either way thats only 1 of 4 ways that work against Reptile.

 

[THTB]

Raiden is probably the best turtle in MK9. Seriously, it's like fighting Super Balrog if Balrog could 100% nullify projectiles on reaction. He doesn't need to play aggressively to win, at all. Because he struggles with pressure vs Reptile especially, is the only reason the matchup is 5-5. Reptile doesn't outright struggle, but it's a plain-even match until someone gets the life lead. Sorta like Guile vs Sim in SFIV, only the match is even.

 

[Raiman]

Raiden is probably the best turtle in MK9. Seriously, it's like fighting Super Balrog if Balrog could 100% nullify projectiles on reaction. He doesn't need to play aggressively to win, at all. Because he struggles with pressure vs Reptile especially, is the only reason the matchup is 5-5. Reptile doesn't outright struggle, but it's a plain-even match until someone gets the life lead. Sorta like Guile vs Sim in SFIV, only the match is even.

I have a question i figured youd be perfect to ask. I still havent played against a reptile that interupts Raidens b3,1,2 after a f2,4. do you know if reptile can dash after f2,4 wihtout being hit by the b3,1,2 since raiden doesn't have to move forward afterwords against reptile