Breakthrough Punishing Walking Corpse on Hit

[M2Dave]

I am not sure whether this information is new or not because I do not play Grundy. Nonetheless, my cousin Master D. has recently found out that the regular Walking Corpse leaves Grundy at approximately -12 on hit. Your opponent can back roll and attempt a wake up reversal attack mid screen, but fortunately all characters are out of range for punishment. However, some characters such as Deathstroke and Sinestro can back roll and wake up reversal attack with Low Shots and Fear Blast respectively. Grundy cannot avoid the chip damage from these special attacks. You are also out of range to throw with Walking Corpse again.

Hawk Girl and Superman are the only two characters who can punish Grundy for using the regular Walking Corpse mid screen. If you throw them with the Walking Corpse, they can back roll and wake up with their super moves and get a guaranteed punish.

Furthermore, if use the Walking Corpse to throw your opponent into the corner and do not meter burn, some characters can back roll and get free wake up attacks. The following is an incomplete list of what some characters are able to do. All of these attacks are 12F or faster.

- Deathstroke (sword flip, sword spin, and quick fire)
- Green Lantern (lift)
- Lex Luthor (charge)
- Sinestro (fear blast)
- The Flash (headbutt and charge)
- Wonder Woman (charge in sword stance)

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

what about DS super?

 

[ForeverKing]

Superman is the only character who can punish Grundy for using the regular Walking Corpse mid screen. If you throw Superman with the Walking Corpse, he can back roll and wake up with his super move and get a guaranteed punish.

That's kind of ridiculous lol. The Superman match-up has to be at LEAST 8-2 in Supes favor

 

[Asodimazze]

Oh wow....nice

 

[M2Dave]

what about DS super?

I am very sure that it is too slow.

That's kind of ridiculous lol. The Superman match-up has to be at LEAST 8-2 in Supes favor

I say at least 7:3 for now. I am not much of a Superman player and Master D. cannot beat me. This match up will always be terrible because of Superman's trait. If Superman activates trait and zones with lasers and f+2,3, it is almost impossible for Grundy to close the gap.

 

[Boodendorf]

Did you try punishing with Hawkgirl's db23?

 

[Vagrant]

Lol at superman punishing wc hits with super damage.


Jesus dude...

 

[ShadowBeatz]

m2dave I hate you

 

[Vagrant]

m2dave I hate you

At least he gave you the heads up lol. I bet most Grundy players didn't even know this.

 

[Jeffreys]

If Superman was nerfed so that his zoning does not take so much chip and set you full screen then he would be a balanced character. Reminds me of Godlao in MK9.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

At least he gave you the heads up lol. I bet most Grundy players didn't even know this.

I knew about the Superman thing (shout outs to people mashing wake-up Supers ). I didn't even think about the other things though

 

[M2Dave]

Did you try punishing with Hawkgirl's db23?

Looks too slow, but I can test.

m2dave I hate you

I still think Grundy is a very solid high mid tier character. But he has these stupid lopsided match ups (i.e., versus Superman, Hawk Girl) that will make life miserable for him at tournaments.

 

[ForeverKing]

I am very sure that it is too slow.



I say at least 7:3 for now. I am not much of a Superman player and Master D. cannot beat me. This match up will always be terrible because of Superman's trait. If Superman activates trait and zones with lasers and f+2,3, it is almost impossible for Grundy to close the gap.

Dude, when Superman does F2,3~super breath on block, he's at +1. So that means the next F2,3 is going to be 7 frames basically. Grundy doesn't have anything 7 frames or faster, so basically he has to eat the next F2,3 coming after super breath... It's like a block infinite. The only thing Grundy can do to stop it is by armoring out with walking corpse or something. But if Superman has his trait active he can't even use armor, so Superman just completely shuts Grundy down

 

[TakeAChance]

Dude, when Superman does F2,3~super breath on block, he's at +1. So that means the next F2,3 is going to be 7 frames basically. Grundy doesn't have anything 7 frames or faster, so basically he has to eat the next F2,3 coming after super breath... It's like a block infinite. The only thing Grundy can do to stop it is by armoring out with walking corpse or something. But if Superman has his trait active he can't even use armor, so Superman just completely shuts Grundy down

Back dash midscreen? Shouldn't that avoid it?

 

[Jeffreys]

Back dash midscreen? Shouldn't that avoid it.

Why would Grundy want to backdash? How else is Grundy going to beat Superman? hope for a meter burned swamp hands?

 

[ForeverKing]

Back dash midscreen? Shouldn't that avoid it.

Maybe a backdash, but if so than that would literally be your only option. But if Superman knows your going to backdash he has options that he can do

 

[Axel_Redd]

i don't get how supes still wins....i mean if its only his super that can punish....he has to burn all his meter.

 

[TakeAChance]

Maybe a backdash, but if so than that would literally be your only option. But if Superman knows your going to backdash he has options that he can do

Agreed, but at least Grundy has something that he can do there. Every character SHOULD be able to backdash that frametrap midscreen.

Why would Grundy want to backdash? How else is Grundy going to beat Superman? hope for a meter burned swamp hands?

He wants to backdash so he doesn't eat another f21. He can then walking corpse the whiffed f21

 

[ForeverKing]

i don't get how supes still wins....i mean if its only his super that can punish....he has to burn all his meter.

Are you kidding? He DESTROYS grundy lol

 

[FrothyOmen]

i don't get how supes still wins....i mean if its only his super that can punish....he has to burn all his meter.

Why are you upset at not being able to punish grundy AFTER HIS MOVE FUCKING HITS YOU

get out of here

 

[xInfra Deadx]

i don't get how supes still wins....i mean if its only his super that can punish....he has to burn all his meter.

 

[Jeffreys]

Agreed, but at least Grundy has something that he can do there. Every character SHOULD be able to backdash that frametrap midscreen.



He wants to backdash so he doesn't eat another f21. He can them walking corpse the whiffed f21

Really? So Grundy has to work his way to get all the way close to superman, so he can backdash and hope that superman keeps on doing F21 Breath? We should fucking protest to NRS.

New Superman tech against Grundy, After F21 Breath since you are plus, jump back and continue to zone.

 

[TakeAChance]

Really? So Grundy has to work his way to get all the way close to superman, so he can backdash and hope that superman keeps on doing F21 Breath? We should fucking protest to NRS.

New Superman tech against Grundy, After F21 Breath since you are plus, jump back and continue to zone.

Lol, Grundy doesn't have to work half as hard as other characters.

Use your tools. The ability to get out of a frame trap is a good one. Utilize it and whiff punish if Supes gets to greedy.

Did all the new people on this site use Kenshi or something?

 

[Axel_Redd]

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buff grundy?

 

[Jeffreys]

Lol, Grundy doesn't have to work half as hard as other characters.

Use your tools. The ability to get out of a frame trap is a good one. Utilize it and whiff punish if Supes gets to greedy.

Did all the new people on this site use Kenshi or something?

Your key word is "if" everything else was meaningless.

Are you denying that Superman vs Grundy is an 8-2 or 7-3 matchup?