Question - A-List possibe run cancel buff

[omooba]

I'm going to suggest a potetial buff for not just alist but run cancel characters in general.

So i think it's mostly accepted that a-list isn't that good anymore along with most characters that depend on run cancelling. I think the main problem isn't really the nerf to plus frames in general but the changes done to stamina in general. I think the point was to avoid people just running in and getting free meterless pressure. While they succeded in doing this it also seriously hurt the neutral for these characters in general because they no longer have the stamina to run in and runcancel for a combo.

To fix this why not just increase the cancel advantage on certain moves on hit or if possible, increase the cancel advantage when you runcancel on hit. I prefer the latter. This way you still don't get pressure if you run in but you can run in and still be able to whiff punish with whatever move you would've used pre-patch. Basically this makes it so you can dash cancel on hit off most strings and get a combo. Like the way hellfire does it with his standing 3.

While discussing try to resist from the generally accepted 'hate on cage community' tym has adopted since mkx dropped

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

Make each run cancel cost only like 45% stamina bar so Jax can combo after one rocket run cancel lol. Some people may hate me because of this buff

 

[Wigy]

Im not sure if i misunderstand you... The cancel advantage on hit didnt change in this patch

 

[omooba]

Im not sure if i misunderstand you... The cancel advantage on hit didnt change in this patch

true i'm saying it should change. it should be increased. You know how hellfire can dash cancel and combo standing 3. same thing with cage and 1,2. Basically if you buffed the cancel advantage on hit every runcancel character can do this with a decent amount of strings.

 

[Wigy]

Cage wont get his rc back and his real issue is lack of armour lack of close range pokes lack of speed and lack of staggerable mid.

 

[Zionix]

Just give back the 2 cancels. They already nerfed the frames. Its simple.

 

[omooba]

Cage wont get his rc back and his real issue is lack of armour lack of close range pokes lack of speed and lack of staggerable mid.

this isn't asking for his rc back it's completely different. i agree with the problem with armor but for me what it comes down to with why i think he sucks is his neutral at mid range. i never played him for pressure, so many characters had that. what was unique was his knee. it was nasty at whiff punishing.
also this won't help just cage it helps every run cancel character.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

All A-List needs imo
1. Make ex nut armored, 2nd bar launches, can still mb regular nut to launch after the hit. Think Predator's ex sceimatar stab.
2. Make D3 minus 4 or 5.

He doesn't NEED anything, I just think that would round him out.

 

[Mashbuttontatoes]

I agree with @Dankster Morgan cage can dash cancel his f3 anyway can't he?

 

[omooba]

I agree with @Dankster Morgan cage can dash cancel his f3 anyway can't he?

not that i know of

 

[Mashbuttontatoes]

@omooba i thought he could f3 dc into 113? I could be wrong but I'm perty sure

 

[Wigy]

not that i know of

F3 dc links into 113 and 214.

Did you really not know this?

 

[Tweedy]

Why do balanced characters like Cage and Jax need buffs?

 

[omooba]

F3 dc links into 113 and 214.

Did you really not know this?

for some reason when he said he can already do that i thought he meant link into f2

 

[Wigy]

:tonyt

Why do balanced characters like Cage and Jax need buffs?

You know all about balanced characters huh


Cage genuinely just needs a mid wakeup and a closeup poke thats not horrendous and i'd be happy. Not asking much considering all the shit that got left in this game.

There is 100% no reason to pick jc over liu right now. Thats why he needs something

 

[hkriderz]

Cage is broken and needs nerfs- sub zero player

The ball's in your court cage mains

 

[Airvidal]

Hate on Cage? lol

Anyway, nice idea.

 

[Strange Symptoms]

Couldn't they potentially just the decrease stamina cost on hit to prepatch or even less, or is that not possible? I'm not aware of code limitations. For example, right now it cost 50 stamina for one run cancel on hit, make one run cancel on hit cost say 25 or even 15 so that a run can start (25 stamina) and some distance can be made.

 

[Strange Symptoms]

All A-List needs imo
1. Make ex nut armored, 2nd bar launches, can still mb regular nut to launch after the hit.

That would be some juicy hit advantage for a bar, like Pyro Tanya. Would you decrease the hit advantage if the armor is activated or leave it as is since it's whiff punishable? I know he has no mixups but standing pressure can still go a long way for him.

 

[Tweedy]

:tonyt

You know all about balanced characters huh


Cage genuinely just needs a mid wakeup and a closeup poke thats not horrendous and i'd be happy. Not asking much considering all the shit that got left in this game.

There is 100% no reason to pick jc over liu right now. Thats why he needs something

I mean people are saying Kenshi is broke because of my play with him, when he's not top 10. I'd say I know a thing or two about overachieving with balanced characters.

Cage doesn't need anything. The character and you will both survive without any changes. Need is way too strong of a word.

 

[ismael4790]

All A-List needs imo
1. Make ex nut armored, 2nd bar launches, can still mb regular nut to launch after the hit. Think Predator's ex sceimatar stab.
2. Make D3 minus 4 or 5.

He doesn't NEED anything, I just think that would round him out.

Armored exflipkick would be nice too.

Also, stunt double definitely needs some extra adjustments.

 

[Osagri]

I mean people are saying Kenshi is broke because of my play with him, when he's not top 10. I'd say I know a thing or two about overachieving with balanced characters.

Cage doesn't need anything. The character and you will both survive without any changes. Need is way too strong of a word.

And who are these people? I know ur good but imo not as good as making kenshi look op or broken

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

I mean people are saying Kenshi is broke because of my play with him, when he's not top 10. I'd say I know a thing or two about overachieving with balanced characters.

Cage doesn't need anything. The character and you will both survive without any changes. Need is way too strong of a word.

Your first mistake is listening to the crowd. The word broke is just banded around all the time on pretty much anything.

Cage does need something - so your saying you know everything about every character and are the best person the judge what a character needs or doesn't need. Sometimes you need to take a seat and think maybe i don't know everything and i'm not always right. If you believe in cage that much why don't you just main him and use him in all the other tournaments you wish to attend for the rest of mkx's life span. Since you like proving points.

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

I think cage needs his stamina cost pre- patch. He is a cancel character with pressure- that's how he was designed and that's how he was meant to be played- he more than any other character needs the stamina fix because characters like lui kang, pred, e.t.c. have way more tools than cage does.

Bring back the heavy execution cage. You have characters like kitana now who do like 30% chip with 3 bars and its not even hard to do. Cage pre-patch could't get anywhere near that with full stamina and 3 bars and it took work (execution wise)
People just don't like blocking and punishing they are so eager to press something. For a character a lot of people complained was broken yet he had less tournament wins and top 8's than DLC characters like Tanya who weren't even there day 1. Don't believe the hype

 

[llabslb]

He's fine. Just because he has to play against ugly shit doesn't mean you give him ugly shit.