Breakthrough - Lackey Patch notes 10-4-16

[omooba]

• Ferra/Torr - reduced the blockstun of Ferra Toss by 10 frames and reduced the pushback
• Ferra/Torr (Ruthless) -
• Ferra/Torr (Vicious) -
• Ferra/Torr (Lackey) - Torr Up no longer has armor

holy shit we get bobbed HAAAARD and it just came out of no where

 

[MadeFromMetal]

This isn't even bad. We got hit with the universal nerf to armored launchers and that's it. Ferra Toss is still plus, it's just the blockstun is less. No worries.

 

[Wetdoba]

Lol that better be sarcasm

 

[CrazyFingers]

Character is fine. Have fun having a still dumb character

 

[omooba]

Y'all think lackey is fine? A character everyone agrees gets zoned out and the only reason to use him is his armor just lost his armor laumcher and got no buffs and no double armor while all defensive characters got buffed wow

 

[CrazyFingers]

Y'all think lackey is fine? A character everyone agrees gets zoned out and the only reason to use him is his armor just lost his only armor and got no buffs while all defensive characters got buffed wow

Everyone else either got completely bopped or just got some buffs. Count yourself lucky you just got a universal change that everyone else has.

 

[omooba]

Everyone else either got completely bopped or just got some buffs. Count yourself lucky you just got a universal change that everyone else has.

Almost everyone who lost their armored launcher got double hitting armor. Shit even cage did and he's top tier. Lackey's ass and no buffs only nerfs. Why would anyone touch this character

 

[CrazyFingers]

Almost everyone who lost their armored launcher got double hitting armor. Shit even cage did and he's top tier. Lackey's ass and no buffs only nerfs. Why would anyone touch this character

Lackey already has double hitting armor, he didnt need to get more.

 

[omooba]

Lackey already has double hitting armor, he didnt need to get more.

Forgot about that. He's still ass though. Everyone already used goro over him and then goro got buffed and he got nothing and again the quest part is his quest match ups for buffed

 

[MadeFromMetal]

Lackey didn't get NERFED nerfed. He got just got a couple universal nerfs and loads of others got buffed. So he drops a few pegs by default, which sucks.

The universal stamina nerf with no increase to F/T run speed might be the worst part of this patch for lackey. Good luck getting in on Mournful or Piercing.

 

[Blewdew]

Just as I said in the other thread ruthless got Away really good and lackey might be completly ass now. We'll see

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

How do I delete a thread? I want to take mine down I didn't notice this was up already.

 

[Doombawkz]

Just as I said in the other thread ruthless got Away really good and lackey might be completly ass now. We'll see

Needs testing, but Lackey made off like a bandit 1.06 Bane style.

We don't need big buffs, everyone else just needs to be nerfed enough.
2 hits of armor never mattered to Lackey, and now when we get in people are gonna have to take what... 10% damage on us and a bar to get out? No more staggering but eating a 45% combo for our troubles. Also our hardest MUs like Shinnok got a lot more managable. Not sure what to do about GM sub but thats fine.

 

[Wetdoba]

Lackey has a 4 hit armored EX charge and the ONLY METERLESS armor in the game. Please, please, do not join the scrub club like the rest of this site. The meta is completely different now. Sure Lackey will have to show a little more patience in neutral, who cares, thats what grapplers do. We are not the Bo rai cho community crying about how their big body gets zoned out, thats how that shit works. Lackey is going to stagger and grab people for days now that he doesnt have to hesitate due to other peoples armor launching him into a full combo.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

• Ferra/Torr - reduced the blockstun of Ferra Toss by 10 frames and reduced the pushback
• Ferra/Torr (Ruthless) -
• Ferra/Torr (Vicious) -
• Ferra/Torr (Lackey) - Torr Up no longer has armor

holy shit we get bobbed HAAAARD and it just came out of no where

How? Literally all of our changes are universal changes. We just rocketed up in tiers most likely. Lackey got no buffs which is upsetting but it was never the go to variation for 99% of mu.

Like they said the plan to continue to patch as needed so the dream is still alive.

 

[Blewdew]

Needs testing, but Lackey made off like a bandit 1.06 Bane style.

We don't need big buffs, everyone else just needs to be nerfed enough.
2 hits of armor never mattered to Lackey, and now when we get in people are gonna have to take what... 10% damage on us and a bar to get out? No more staggering but eating a 45% combo for our troubles. Also our hardest MUs like Shinnok got a lot more managable. Not sure what to do about GM sub but thats fine.

Yeah that's why I said might be. Some characters changed drastically so it needs Time to test everything out

 

[omooba]

honestly imma wait a few weeks then ask for all your opinions again.

Lackey has a 4 hit armored EX charge and the ONLY METERLESS armor in the game. Please, please, do not join the scrub club like the rest of this site. The meta is completely different now. Sure Lackey will have to show a little more patience in neutral, who cares, thats what grapplers do

the meta has changed? damn right it has and no it doesn't help lackey. 4 hit armor that only has armor at the beginning doesn't help much. in fact i'm pretty sure no one ever used this over his armored launcher. speaking as a lackey main there's literally nothing that changed that i believe changed in his favor

 

[joeldm]

Unarmored Ex Torryuken only serve to extend combos. If it is still possible.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Unarmored Ex Torryuken only serve to extend combos. If it is still possible.

It is, we still have boat loads of armour. It will really depend on how the overall changes affect the m for lackey. I'm just glad I don't have learn anything new (for F/T)

 

[Doombawkz]

They also nerfed jump attacks and dash cancel characters, so that's another nerf for ruthless.

Still everyone else's jumps being slightly worst is good for us.

 

[Gengar]

Ferra didnt get his uppercut buffed either =[

 

[joeldm]

Still everyone else's jumps being slightly worst is good for us.

I had forgotten that.
I will wait to test the changes.

 

[Wetdoba]

honestly imma wait a few weeks then ask for all your opinions again.

the meta has changed? damn right it has and no it doesn't help lackey. 4 hit armor that only has armor at the beginning doesn't help much. in fact i'm pretty sure no one ever used this over his armored launcher. speaking as a lackey main there's literally nothing that changed that i believe changed in his favor

Jump ins worse, stagger pressure better because of new risk/reward for armor, better staggers = more blocking = more command grab conditioning.

Also now we have much better armor options than the rest of the cast since everyone else doesnt have armor into full combo, which as NRS explained, was so good that there was no point in using armor that didnt launch. Instead of just doing armor into full combo everytime the cersatility of armor options becomes more important. Lackey has 4 armor options: meterless/projectile immune armor, multihit armor that leads to a HKD that might be some of the best oki in the game now, quick half screen armor that has potential to launch, and unblockable armor.

 

[Doombawkz]

Whats more is the characters who got the 2 hits of armor got other things toned down, and We've had ways of dealing with 2 hits of armor because of working against Goro.
Only difference is the characters don't have 6 hits to work with.

 

[omooba]

like i said i'll wait a few weeks then ask your opinions again. if mine changes hallelujah but right now i think he might be the worst variation in this game