General/Other - Ruthless Pain n Gain Frame data.

[oaoo94]

Wtf is this. All of sudden Ferra/Torr has top tier pressure. Cooljaxx you maniac.

 

[Kamikaze_Highlander]

Is it really that worth it to try to pressure though? You ripping 5% off. Unless you got a good gimmick coming in. Is torr super over head? You could probably getting a jailing pressure 50/50 for all your meter lol. Either f2 combo or super

oh hell yea, block stun on a canceled f2 is huge. You can just let it rock and if they push any buttons then you can punish them by run cancelling. you have enough advantage to run a short distance after f2xxPnG

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

The King of the Lab hath spoken! All hail!

 

[Cooljaxx]

The King of the Lab hath spoken! All hail!

 

[Cooljaxx]

Update: anyone else notice that bf2 is DEFINITLY NOT NEG 3?

Now that I'm looking at it bf2 is safe depending on the range... Hm. Weird

 

[Doombawkz]

Update: anyone else notice that bf2 is DEFINITLY NOT NEG 3?

Now that I'm looking at it bf2 is safe depending on the range... Hm. Weird

Try doing a well-spaced b.12xx low toss.

 

[Doombawkz]

Wtf is this. All of sudden Ferra/Torr has top tier pressure. Cooljaxx you maniac.

He has always had top tier pressure, where have you been?
OH toss has been +10 for months now.

 

[Roko1985]

The data is good, the numbers are right but the way you're figuring them is wrong. When you cancel a move on block, you basically replace that move's negative block frames with it's cancel frames which are used in the next move's start-up and recovery. In this case, PnG has roughly 5 frames of start-up before you can cancel it and memory serving b.3 has 20 cancel advantage, giving the impression of +15.

Otherwise, data is greata. Try jailing some of these into standing 2, you may be surprised to find a few of these are slightly more advantageous than you thought.

A lot of the information in the game menu is wrong like plus,minus on block or even cancel advantage. The way I test cancels is: I downloaded an app from the App Store that alows you to make a video clip in 60 FPS and later play it frame by frame. You go in training mode and pick the same character you are testing for Player 1 and 2. You put the dummy on Always Block, Jump (NJ) and Reversal Back Dash. Player 1 does the block string into the special and cancel with backdash or just backdash if what you are testing is not a run cancel then hold up! When you watch the replay frame by frame, you will notice the 3 frame, because it has a very funny animation. So basically you are counting the frames. Very simple. It works with all cancels to frame perfect!

 

[Doombawkz]

A lot of the information in the game menu is wrong like plus,minus on block or even cancel advantage. The way I test cancels is: I downloaded an app from the App Store that alows you to make a video clip in 60 FPS and later play it frame by frame. You go in training mode and pick the same character you are testing for Player 1 and 2. You put the dummy on Always Block, Jump (NJ) and Reversal Back Dash. Player 1 does the block string into the special and cancel with backdash or just backdash if what you are testing is not a run cancel then hold up! When you watch the replay frame by frame, you will notice the 3 frame, because it has a very funny animation. So basically you are counting the frames. Very simple. It works with all cancels to frame perfect!

But why would I do that when I already know all of the frame data?

 

[Roko1985]

But why would I do that when I already know all of the frame data?

How do you know the frame data?

 

[Roko1985]

But why would I do that when I already know all of the frame data?

This is how you test run cancels to the frame!

 

[Cooljaxx]

@Roko1985 not trying to be rude or anything but there is more than one way to figure out frame data. And if you are a true Ferra torr main you know the true frame data of the character. Do you even play Ferra torr?

 

[Doombawkz]

How do you know the frame data?

Lots and lots and lots of lab time.

 

[oaoo94]

He has always had top tier pressure, where have you been?
OH toss has been +10 for months now.

I zone F/T out too much to care about his pressure.

 

[CrazyFingers]

a thread that i've been looking for, thank you!

 

[Cooljaxx]

a thread that i've been looking for, thank you!

No problem man have any questions just ask

 

[Roko1985]

Lots and lots and lots of lab time.

My method save you a lots and lots of lab time. In 2 min you can see what works and what not.

 

[DonellDaFlexxGod]

I teach u the game and you just break it

Ur connection is broken

 

[Tweedy]

One of you maniacs need to give me games.

 

[Shade667]

Cool. Ill keep this in mind. 2f4 suprised me.

 

[Cooljaxx]

Should I just make an ultra thread with all the recent tech found by me and @dennycascade ?

 

[Skedar70]

Ruthless is getting the nerf in the next patch. Those 50%+ combos for 1 bar midscreen or corner will not be allowed to live. The pain and gain damage price is a steal for such a combo. His pressure up close and in the corner is insane. This is a slept on character that only Biohazard took advantage of.

 

[Cooljaxx]

Ruthless is getting the nerf in the next patch. Those 50%+ combos for 1 bar midscreen or corner will not be allowed to live. The pain and gain damage price is a steal for such a combo. His pressure up close and in the corner is insane. This is a slept on character that only Biohazard took advantage of.

Okay? Won't change us from playing the character... I wouldn't even mind a damage nerf.

 

[Cooljaxx]

And even if we get a damage nerf from pain n gain, it would still be one of the best tools. It has more use than just being a damage adding buff.

 

[Skedar70]

They might move the ferra enhanced tosses exclusively for vicious so the variation has a purpose.