Discussion NRS Patching - Genuine Balance or Mere Tier Shifting?

[Rip Torn]

I think NRS cares, they are just really bad at balancing their games. Sales are definitely their number one priority, but the competitive scene is very important to them. They clearly see the appeal of eSports.

Hopefully they will get better advice on balance from some of the competitive players they've hired lately.

 

[RiBBz22]

Yes, we know. Cyber Sub Zero has been over-normalized. You only remind us on a daily basis by posting your crying on the status updates page... just as you did about 10 minutes ago as of this writing.

I agree with you now that you agree with me

 

[GAV]

From my perspective, nerfing the targets is justice.

It only hurts the tier whores. For everyone else, it brings relief.

I hope they nerf Alien so bad that players don't even see it when selecting - or they have to pause to mourn it's passing.

 

[M2Dave]

It only hurts the tier whores.

The reality is that most high level players are "tier whores" across all fighting games. Few players place top 8 with mid and low tier characters. Almost none win major tournaments like CEO and EVO. In Street Fighter V, Infiltration wins with Nash, who is top 5. In Marvel, Chris G. wins with Morrigan, who is top 5. In Mortal Kombat X, Sonic Fox wins with Alien, who is top 5. In Tekken 7, Knee wins with Bryan, who is top 5. Etc.

Destroying Alien will do nothing but create unbalances. High level players will simply pick the next top tier character and win. The community will get fed up and complain and thus another cycle begins. The game would be much better off if Alien were normalized slightly. We have already seen a hundred times by now that excessive negative changes never work out for NRS.

 

[LaidbackOne]

WTF?! When did Dave become the voice of reason? 10/10

 

[just_2swift]

+12 Lao was fine outside of j2

 

[GAV]

The reality is that most high level players are "tier whores" across all fighting games. Few players place top 8 with mid and low tier characters. Almost none win major tournaments like CEO and EVO. In Street Fighter V, Infiltration wins with Nash, who is top 5. In Marvel, Chris G. wins with Morrigan, who is top 5. In Mortal Kombat X, Sonic Fox wins with Alien, who is top 5. In Tekken 7, Knee wins with Bryan, who is top 5. Etc.

Destroying Alien will do nothing but create unbalances. High level players will simply pick the next top tier character and win. The community will get fed up and complain and thus another cycle begins. The game would be much better off if Alien were normalized slightly. We have already seen a hundred times by now that excessive negative changes never work out for NRS.

I never blame any top player for using a top tier, but when casuals do it - its tier whoring, IMO.

I'm just so fed up with Alien. You know how many bums think they're actually good playing Acidic? There are a lot.

I know that you're right, but I want Alien's blood at this point. I just don't wanna see it anymore.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

The reality is that most high level players are "tier whores" across all fighting games. Few players place top 8 with mid and low tier characters. Almost none win major tournaments like CEO and EVO. In Street Fighter V, Infiltration wins with Nash, who is top 5. In Marvel, Chris G. wins with Morrigan, who is top 5. In Mortal Kombat X, Sonic Fox wins with Alien, who is top 5. In Tekken 7, Knee wins with Bryan, who is top 5. Etc.

Destroying Alien will do nothing but create unbalances. High level players will simply pick the next top tier character and win. The community will get fed up and complain and thus another cycle begins. The game would be much better off if Alien were normalized slightly. We have already seen a hundred times by now that excessive negative changes never work out for NRS.

Can you confirm that i'm not a tier whore?

 

[M2Dave]

Can you confirm that i'm not a tier whore?

100% confirmed.

 

[GLoRToR]

stuff.

The latter. They have never cared for balance and never will.

 

[Big Pampering]

So are people finally admitting they got characters overnerfed? And yes its just mere tier shifting.

 

[just_2swift]

Buff lao

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Can you confirm that i'm not a tier whore?

Which characters have you mained in MKX? I'm interested more in the ones you've competed in tournaments with.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Lmaoooo!!! You already know. There was like a 90% Shinnok drop after the nerfs but you held it down before and after.

I only remember dr getting top8 w pre patch shinnok, seriously so maybe he means DR

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

ribbz22
Go away
no one cares
You make really weird posts

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Which characters have you mained in MKX? I'm interested more in the ones you've competed in tournaments with.

Sub zero mid tier
LEATHER FACE low tier
Shinnok top 12

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Sub zero mid tier
LEATHER FACE low tier
Shinnok top 12

That's a good character base to prove you've got good fundamentals. Any of those I imagine would be pretty hard to get top 8. That's good.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

I only remember dr getting top8 w pre patch shinnok, seriously so maybe he means DR

Funny, i remember winning a major with pre patch shinnok

 

[SaltShaker]

 

[Yoaks]

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Funny, i remember winning a major with pre patch shinnok

The Texas one that screwed you guys? I mean as busted as he was I wouldn't expect any less from you w him. I thought that was post patch

 

[GLoRToR]

I feel like what's really ruining it for game balance is the lack of any rules or standards whatsoever. Tools are not really defined as balancing factors, hitbox size does not yield different balance changes and so on. Better respected fighting games such as soul calibur or tekken have their own rules like every character has a poke of the same speed and/or size means damage and reach which in turn affects speed.