JK can still potentially lead you to getting AA by some character's D1 such as Cage's D1, though I think it could have some use off the 222 setups that Denzel has been doing; B2 can be cancelled after 18 frames, which is the same speed as Kitana's F2 (18 frames) which blows up counter pokes on whiff; if the opponent jumps back and whiffs their jk or jp they can't block instantly after landing.
what if they just... jump and react? Jump Back ... and watch you?
You mean as SZ starts the charge and the opposing player jumps backwards when he sees the charge starts? My brother and I tested it, he has to react to what I'm doing so he tried playing around when he would jump; once you see (the SZ player) sees that the opponent jumps, you can cancel into a dash 22; the main problem is not reacting to the jumps, but getting the iceball from 22 to connect on the AA. Sometimes it connects, while other times it misses.
The backwards JK is not good in this situation because sometimes my brother tried doing that and he ended up getting frozen by the still active clone giving me another combo, and more importantly, putting him into the same situation. The other thing is the first 2's hitbox is very good and has a high chance of beating out your JK attempt. The last thing is that the SZ player doesn't have to approach with a dash cancelled 22, instead I could opt for using a dash cancelled D4 (lowering my hitbox) which if it AAs you, allows me to link iceball into another 222 setup. The worst thing you want to do here is jump because there's all of these options, but more importantly, once you whiff your JK or JP, you can't block right away, so you're going to eat a corner combo.
Agree, this are just twicks/additions. You are better off with sub corner pressure.
It isn't a tweak, though, it's the exact setup that was quite openly talked about months and months ago. I won't be able to go back and find it now, but I was the one to talk about charging b2 behind a 212 clone in the corner and cancelling into 22 anti-air. Unfortunately, the game has changed so much, almost everybody has armour and a free way of blowing it up since you can't block directly after a b2 cancel. Oh, and by the way, projectile to the face works for no bar when you try this.
First paragraph proves my point,this isnt new. That is why i said " this are tweaks/additions". I remembered this being on discussion.
To be honest, it isn't even a "credit" thing, man, it's the fact people are not paying attention to the stuff that does get shared quite openly. It takes Reo to come across something for it to get recognised and even then it's for the wrong reason, in this case, trolling. I want to see the sub community level up like crazy because, individually, I cannot get to tournaments for personal reasons. I want to see sub players fully understanding the tech that is found and increasing the viability of their own setups because of that understanding. It's not happening right now.
My bad, I didn't know people have posted this months ago. If you discovered the B2 setup after 212~Clone, then you rightfully deserve credit. However, I haven't seen any SZ do this setup in any of the matches I have seen, and I haven't seen any other SZ player do the B2 setup after the 222~Clone setup.
Yeah I know the downside to the setups, but something which Osu 16 Bit is telling me is that SZ players as a whole are way too conservative in the corner; it isn't always about containment, sometimes you have to go for the kill in the corner, so that requires taking some risks.
Why does everyone thing the jump kick that safe? You can literally hit him with a projectile before he lands -__-. Stop believing everything you hear top players say, well Jk isn't that safe buddy. Specials beat Jk
with 2,1,2~clone in the corner... most projectiles are caught in the clone... so yeah
Most projectiles huh, most isn't all buddy so that strategy isn't gonna make him any better atm, plus armor, invincibility and etc. You guy's need to rely on better strategies ya know, getting too damn desperate for new tech that your losing sight of how to play with your head.......
are you kidding me? This isn't something you do every time... but if you JiK ... you won't be getting hit by any type of ground projectile.