Zoidberg747
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Vicinity blast is safe isnt it?Or we could remove option selects and let raiden keep his ONLY safe special
Vicinity blast is safe isnt it?Or we could remove option selects and let raiden keep his ONLY safe special
Regular vb? Hell no. Doesn't even hit people on the ground.Vicinity blast is safe isnt it?
Yeah normal VC Blast is goddamn useless lolRegular vb? Hell no. Doesn't even hit people on the ground.
It's good against goro tele-stomp lolYeah normal VC Blast is goddamn useless lol
It's too bad you aren't a developer. Sounds like we have a prodigy on our hands.Give every character a 50/50 and make both the overhead and the low options comboably unsafe when blocked, take away all the option selects. There you go NRS just made you game 1000000* better.
Ah so its just the EX version. Thanks for clearing that up.Regular vb? Hell no. Doesn't even hit people on the ground.
We all have our talents.It's too bad you aren't a developer. Sounds like we have a prodigy on our hands.
It would be a shame to nerf raiden, and realize later on down the road when other characters are just as, if not more powerful, that he wasn't that strong to begin with. You guys should spend less time on TYM talking about balancing the game, and spend more time practicing so we can develop the meta and actually find out whats good and whats not.
First part is just false. Electrocute jails when you OS it from B2; you cannot duck and get a free punish. Serious question: when do you ever use Electrocute on block? Raiden doesn't have a single string that you can't hit confirm into from. You don't need to use it if they block. Right now, if you're using Raiden at the highest level, the only time your opponent would block an Electrocute is when you OS it off of B2, otherwise you're just being lazy and not hit confirming. Sure it can be ducked in the neutral or on wake up, but I'm sorry if this would ruin your strategy of using it raw during the neutral game or waking up without armor.Uh no. NO NO NO NO NO. I realize that the b2 option select is dumb, but that doesn't mean we should go around making safe special moves unsafe. It's still a high and can be ducked and FULL COMBO PUNISHED. Even if you block it... depending on your character, you get a free poke and for everyone else it gives them free pressure. Don't punish Raiden because NRS has some weird option select timing in the game that they should fix. Making shocker unsafe only addresses the symptom and not the problem. Other characters have this exact same option select.
Ducking it or making it more unsafe to grounded opponents isn't the point of it, nor would changing active frames affect that in any way, anyway. And to build off your point, yes, Shocker isn't the best anti-cross up(anti-air to be more specific), but right now it covers way too many options after negative pressure. Punishes counter pressure(if not ducked), back dashes, and neutral jumps. He already has a move built specifically for anti-air, so there is no reason why it should cover this option so easily, and reducing it's active frames would allow people to neutral jump on a good read on Raiden using armor to punish, rather than being punished for making the right read.What? Why can't you just low profile and full combo punish? Or just block and full combo? LOL this nerf suggestion is absurd. Ex-shocker isn't the best anti-crossup option. A lot of times it flies THROUGH the opponent and whiffs, giving them an opportunity for a full combo.
The point is the move is an anti-air but it's use when grounded is just too good because of how many options it can cover, but the main reason it should be negative is due to it's anti-wake up capabilities. Raiden already has a restand after landing a combo in the corner; why should I be able to touch you from anywhere on the screen and instantly take you to the corner, then have the ability to use Vicinity Burst to cover every option you could do: it will blow up your wake ups if you do wake up, leave Raiden neutral if you block to which he can go back in with his 6 frame F1 pressure, or if you delay wake up I get to 50/50 anyways. All that from a move meant to anti-air. Sure it costs a bar but it's not like Raiden is ever short on bar.Wtf? This move needs nerfed? I read your whole explanation and I still don't understand your complaints. You realize it's a high so you can just duck it and full combo right?
Dude, I have main'ed Raiden from day one. If you've been playing him for any period of time at all you should know the character is extremely good. And no one is screaming for Raiden nerfs any how. I'm owning up to the fact that some of my tools are too strong and can cover too many options. Right now you can literally Vicinity Burst after any lightning string and cover every possible option while leaving you plus enough to pressure if they block, or spaced well enough from the lightning to be safe from whiff punishes if they duck it. Sounds fair to me, right? This isn't even a nerf Raiden thread anyway, but I guess that's the only point you took from my long, well-thought-out post.EVERYBODY CALM DOWN. IT IS NO SURPRISE THAT PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING NERF THE CHARACTER THAT JUST WON THE FIRST BIG TOURNAMENT.
No, because I don't main Erron Black, and I'm not going to talk out of my ass if I don't know what I'm talking about.If SonicFox had won the last round, would this thread had a list about Erron Black nerfs instead?
That tick throw should be nerfed imo... Maybe less active so that it could be backdashedIf SonicFox had won the last round, would this thread had a list about Erron Black nerfs instead?
Yes. I fully believe in lord yes.If SonicFox had won the last round, would this thread had a list about Erron Black nerfs instead?
You should. That's bad johnny design, not bad raiden design. But maybe not shadow kick since it travels full screen. That would be like raidens superman being safeIf Raiden gets to keep his electrocute safe I want Johnny's shadow kick the same. The same frames on block adv.
Why shouldn't I be able to end all my bad reads in a safe move and not give a shit about the opponent as well?
Superman hits midYou should. That's bad johnny design, not bad raiden design. But maybe not shadow kick since it travels full screen. That would be like raidens superman being safe
what a shame4 years I said to myself "don't worry dink, come mk10 Quan will finally have a 6 frame move and a wakeup attack."
Then MKX comes out.
Because he said he only wanted people to suggest nerfs for characters they main, since they would know more about them I guess.How is the name of this thread reasonable nerfs, yet it's only about Raiden?