Am I reading this right?
Tom Brady has told me on several occasion's that the only reason he said Sub-Zero was a top 3 character to quiet all the people in the Sub forums who were just asking for the most ludicrous buffs ever. People want Sub to be Superman, have armor on everything,ice showers, ice nuggets, safe slides, chip damage on ice balls and god knows what else. He feels like he has to defend the character because people want to ruin him by making him broken. Tom does feel he has one of the top 3 best offense's in the game.
Freddy's defense is very bad. He needs super meter to escape (and rightfully so) high pressure situations and traps. At the moment, his zoning and damaging combos make up for the fact that he has poor defense. The glove toss is fine in my opinion. The projectile immunity glitch and the 50%+ combos are not. I do not understand why Kabal has no start up frames on his projectiles and why he gets to keep iaGBs while Kano's knife toss has been toned down and while Skarlet's dagger cancels and Freddy's glove toss will supposedly be toned down. Anyway, I hope NRS does not make Freddy average. We already have a bunch of below average zoning characters (i.e., Stryker, Sindel, Noob, etc.) characters in the game. We need no another one.Sub_Crash4 said:
Here's the issue with Cyber; his pokes lack in the speed and range department. He gets big, meterless damage off of 2. Unfortunately, 2 is a frame 15 high with meh range. Mixups off of 3 are hard to see. Unfortunately 3 isnt exactly the fastest move and has piss range, and if you go low, the damage is pretty weak.
Well, that explains that one, because I was surprised to see Tom saying Sub is top 3. I don't agree with Sub having a top 3 offense either, but that's another discussion, I guess.
Well just to say "Months ago" is pretty close to when the game first came out. We all had different views on characters back then, compared to now.
You're too used to playing him online. I have seen a "good" tourney player use him... and when played defensively he is super tough. He can teleport the moment you jump and punish you for it. You just CAN'T pressure him at all times. Plus... he gets you in the corner VERY quickly. Most matches against him end up there at some point.
everyone's defense is "bad". Most every character has a hard time escaping high pressure frame traps and such. Only Raiden can get out with ease. Thats a cop out really.
Sub-Zero's all round game is very good, in my opinion. Used correctly, I think he's better than Tom has him placed here but he doesn't have top 3 offense, in my opinion. He has the best space control in the game which is what allows him to be offensive against a lot of characters. All his corner traps come from the mental shackle his clone puts on someone and in all his favourable matchups, he controls the pace of the match with the clone because even when he's not using it as much, his opponent is reluctant to attack him sometimes, which gives Sub-Zero the initiative. His offense in and of itself is not Johnny Cage, Sonya, Kung Lao or even Liu Kang status.
He cannot deal with people once they get in. At all. Especially those with teleports that react to skulls...*Scorpion! ahem
Most top tier characters have solid defensive options.Sub_Crash4 said:
At least his character design functions correctly (unlike the design of many others). If Johnny Cage manages to get close, he is the most powerful character in the game. His pokes are second to none. JOP showed what Cage can really do at Evo. Cage goes 5:5 versus Kung Lao, Raiden, and Cyrax but probably loses 4:6 to Kabal and Reptile. I am not sure how the Kitana match up goes. The point is that those are some very solid numbers. Really, if Cage can force a mistake and get in, he can beat any character.Enenra said:
he is just as effective as those stated. JC can be poked out of his pressure. Sub can apply the same TYPE of pressure after a knockdown... and thats all that really matters. Subs projectile is a combo waiting to happen... not 8,9,12%... a COMBO. two other characters can do this. the clone is not a defensive tool as much as it is a pressure tool. You are short changing the character because he doesn't have frame traps. he has COMBO traps. lol. i should trademark that.
Um... were Kung Lao and Kabal both removed from the game without my knowing?
How many characters truly shut him down though? He only really needs to get in once before the gauntlet of guessing begins.
LOL you listed EVERY SINGLE ONE of the "S" tier characters... its why they are there!!! so yeah. I'm going to be a dick and say GREAT straw man.
