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Guide - Possessed "Kenshi's 2 Hits of Armor Specials are Broken"

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Noob
Uhh... How exactly do you bait a jump over when you're knocked down? Also no you're not punishing those jump overs with an NJP unless the opponent is like 0 on hit as he does it.
Uhh, my point was it's a bait because they assume you'll wake with the ex (during a match you can throw it out) and they'll do a jump over to blow it up, but in reality you'll njp or d2 on wakeup.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
its the same way you read a cross over when they think you are gonna EX Punchwalk on wakeup. It happens alot.

So I would just do a U1 on wakeup. Kenshi can more than likely do a S1, that hitbox is amazing. Depending on the knockdown advantage of course.

But I agree no special that goes in front, should never whiff up close.
Or lose to a meterless normal
 

DDutchguy

Raiden enthusiast
Uhh, it's a bait because they assume you'll wake with the ex (during a match you can throw it out) and they'll do a jump over to blow it up, but in reality you'll njp or d2 on wakeup.
As in 'setting it up' so to say by doing an EX-DF4 wakeup earlier in the match? Fair enough, though it still feels more like a read than a bait. With baiting I feel like the person doing the bait can react to whether the bait worked or not. Here Kenshi still has to sort of guess what the opponent is going to do.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I dont see a problem. Armor is not intended to be an answer to everything. If they know you are gonna armor then they should be able to jump over it or bait it some how to punish, you dont get to wake up for free. Tremor has the same problem, cross up blows up straight punch and magma blast for free.

granted, kenshi has other problems that tremor does not share, but that street goes both ways. Are Kenshis flaws really so glaring that he needs to be immune to oki pressure via a safe 'does it all' armored move? I heard people talking like posessed might be top 5 or capable of taking a major with this patch (in a podcast you yourself was involved with.) All of that is out the window now that your wake up can be read? just like pretty much all the other armor except ermac?
God damnt I feel like no one clicked on the dragon twitter post link
 

Sunny_D

Green Arrows personal Shooty guy
Again I FEEL LIKE NO ONE CLICKED THE DRAGON TWEET LINK WHERE A FUCKING METERLESS NORMAL BEATS A TWO HIT ARMORED OH MOVE
I watched it but thats only cause kitana needs nerfs to her offense and be strictly zoning with DECENT Offense. The overhead buff was enough in my eyes
 

Sunny_D

Green Arrows personal Shooty guy
Noooooooooooooooooo

EVERYONE CAN DO THIS W ADVANCING NORMALS
Yeah but armor breaking it part of the mind game. If you think they will run in and do this do a different wake up attack. Like ex db1. Oh what its unsafe? Well thats part of making the reads my dude.
 

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Noob
As in 'setting it up' so to say by doing an EX-DF4 wakeup earlier in the match? Fair enough, though it still feels more like a read than a bait. With baiting I feel like the person doing the bait can react to whether the bait worked or not. Here Kenshi still has to sort of guess what the opponent is going to do.
Maybe baiting could be the wrong word. Anyhow, the opponent would have to respect your njp or d2 on wakeup so they're both playing a guessing game (assuming they know to jump over your ex on wakeup).
 

Gengar

Hypnosis > Dreameater (its a reset)
God damnt I feel like no one clicked on the dragon twitter post link
I cant view twitter at work, i have to teamview my home puter to view anything, i wasnt really able to tell what was happening in the vid due to choppiness.

If kitana was hitting him 3 times and breaking the armor, thats life i guess. if however she is just too close and the move whiffs, which would explain why people are saying any advancing normal can beat it, at point blank then I do indeed see the problem, that should be fixed. I doubt the move is intended to have a 'weakness' in the form of the opponent was way to close.
 

JDM

Noob
Don't know what the issue is. Even with a forward advancing move beating EXDF4. If you think they are going to do that you can just do exBF2. There shouldn't really be a huge issue.

Also I tested a different forward advancing string (Lao's F22) and it was not easy to beat out at all. I beat it maybe 2 times out of 20+ attempts. And jumping over EXDF4 isn't as easy at it seems either, the hitbox is ridiculous and I constantly get anti-aired.
 

Tokiwartoothxdk

『T R I G G E R E D』
Kenshi should not be pushed when he does a armored move, the hitbox/animation on the move should follow him or he shouldnt move at all when armoring. being able to dodge a move by just moving forward with a advancing move negates its effectiveness as a wake-up which is just dumb.
 

JDM

Noob
Kenshi should not be pushed when he does a armored move, the hitbox/animation on the move should follow him or he shouldnt move at all when armoring. being able to dodge a move by just moving forward with a advancing move negates its effectiveness as a wake-up which is just dumb.
There is supposed to be antii-wakeup tech lol. If you think they are going to go for this(forward advancing string)... do ex bf2. You punish them and push them away. There shouldn't be a be all end all solution for waking up. Injustice was filled with specific counter wakeup setups.
 
SF Sonya blows it up hard with drone. 2 hits of armor aside, the startup is long, so you can do a late drone shot (late enough that he can't see it and decide not to wakeup) , hit Kenshi on recovery and still be able to block the attack in time.

As for a general reversal (like anytime I'm just +2,3 or 4 or whatever) really not much answer to that...

I got 22 to stuff it a couple times, but the timing was really strict and not worth it.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
The question isn't really "why can this be broken" it is more about "How can you punish them if they try this and you do not do armoured wake up"

I'm out of the house so can not test, but I am not sure I subscribe to the idea that things should have zero answers. The main patch goal for this version as far as I can see was to nurff armours, this looks like more of that.

As you are on the ground you have various options on waking up. So the real tech is what you as a player can do IF they do the advancing normal stuff. IF (again I have not tested yet) you can do something to punish them doing this by doing something ELSE rather than the armoured wake up.... then how is that different from any other form of conditioning you do in a game to allow you to make hard reads into full combo punish?
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Yeah but armor breaking it part of the mind game. If you think they will run in and do this do a different wake up attack. Like ex db1. Oh what its unsafe? Well thats part of making the reads my dude.
Ex df1 "dude" doesn't have armor

And f2 isn't "breaking" armor. It's a one hit move against a two hit armor move
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I cant view twitter at work, i have to teamview my home puter to view anything, i wasnt really able to tell what was happening in the vid due to choppiness.

If kitana was hitting him 3 times and breaking the armor, thats life i guess. if however she is just too close and the move whiffs, which would explain why people are saying any advancing normal can beat it, at point blank then I do indeed see the problem, that should be fixed. I doubt the move is intended to have a 'weakness' in the form of the opponent was way to close.
Good god watch the god damn dragon twitter link

I'll sum it up f2 = one hit beats out (REMIND YOU ITS ONE HIT) ex df4 2 hits of armor move

I honestly feel like half the people responding are either (soap bar in my mouth),didn't read, didn't watch or maybe all 3
 

Rozalin1780

Good? Bad? I'm the one with the fans
No 2 hit armored special should lose to point blank Kitana f2

Sit down and think about that
I had to watch the vid you linked to Dragon's twitter post a few times to see what exactly was going on there. It looks to me like Kitana avoids being hit because she's pushing Kenshi while he's on the ground by running and when Kenshi wakes up, it's tracking based on where he was not where he's currently at. Definitely a bug.

Wonder how many other characters can achieve the same result.
 

Sunny_D

Green Arrows personal Shooty guy
Good god watch the god damn dragon twitter link

I'll sum it up f2 = one hit beats out (REMIND YOU ITS ONE HIT) ex df4 2 hits of armor move

I honestly feel like half the people responding are either (soap bar in my mouth),didn't read, didn't watch or maybe all 3
He just explained why he couldnt see it all the way, and theres no need to get so worked up about it man. How you think I feel? Cyber Subs ex ice ball doesnt absorb projectiles lol "dude"
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I had to watch the vid you linked to Dragon's twitter post a few times to see what exactly was going on there. It looks to me like Kitana avoids being hit because she's pushing Kenshi while he's on the ground by running and when Kenshi wakes up, it's tracking based on where he was not where he's currently at. Definitely a bug.

Wonder how many other characters can achieve the same result.
^This guy has been the best logical response I've seen. Thank you for reading and watching before responding

@Gengar
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
He just explained why he couldnt see it all the way, and theres no need to get so worked up about it man. How you think I feel? Cyber Subs ex ice ball doesnt absorb projectiles lol "dude"
How about not responding at all until you know what you're talking about which probably requires watching the intended links

Do you go into movie analysis discussions without seeing said movie ?