Kano Frame Data

[Somberness]

How to understand this.
Execution
1 - 11
1,1 - 13
1,1,2 - 13
2 - 12
2,1 - 13
2,1,2 - 13
3 - 18
3,3 - 6
4 - 15
D+1 - 6
D+2 - 11
D+3 - 7
D+4 - 12
B+1 - 12
B+1,1 - 13
B+1,1,2 - 20
B+1,2 - 17
B+2 - 23
B+2,3 - 13
B+2,F+1 - 13
B+4 - 22
F+1 - 14
F+1,1 - 14
F+1,2 - 15
F+3 - 18
F+3,3 - 15
F+3,B+2 - 22
F+4 - 27
Throw - 10
Ball - 7
Ball (full screen) - 25
Down Ball - 6
Down Ball (max range) - 19
Up Ball - 8
Choke - 10
Knife Throw - 17
Knife Throw (full screen) - 45
Air Throw - 9
Kano Ball - 7-306
Kano Ball (full screen) - 25-320
Downward Ball - 6
Downward Ball (max range) - 19
Uprise Ball - 8
Uprise Ball (full screen) - 33
Kano Choke - 10
Knife Toss - 17
Knife Toss (full screen) - 47
Just The Tip - 29

Block Advantage
1 - 0
1,1 - 0
1,1,2 - 0
2 - -9
2,1 - -4
2,1,2 - 0
3 - -4
3,3 - -11
4 - -12
D+1 - -13
D+2 - -2
D+3 - -7
D+4 - 0
B+1 - 0
B+1,1 - -16
B+1,1,2 - 0
B+1,2 - -2
B+2 - -16
B+2,3 - -4
B+2,F+1 - -11
B+4 - +1
F+1 - 0
F+1,1 - 0
F+1,2 - 0
F+3 - -15
F+3,3 - -20
F+3,B+2 - -4
F+4 - 0
Ball - -35
Down Ball - ~-34
Up Ball - -13
Up Ball (max range) - -10
Choke - -1
Knife Throw - -10
Kano Ball - -35
Downward Ball - ~-34
Uprise Ball - -37
Kano Choke - -1
Knife Toss - -3

Hit Advantage
1 - 0
1,1 - +11
1,1,2 - +4
2 - +5
2,1 - +3
2,1,2 - +58, +46
3 - +7
3,3 - +2
4 - +3
D+1 - +1
D+1 (vs crouch) - -1
D+2 - +33, +26
D+3 - +3
D+3 (vs crouch) - +10
D+4 - +12
D+4 (vs crouch) - +5
B+1 - +7
B+1,1 - -1
B+1,1,2 - +52, +41
B+1,2 - +4
B+2 - +23, +27
B+2,3 - +48, +31
B+2,F+1 - +48, +31
B+4 - +23, +20
F+1 - +5
F+1,1 - +12
F+1,2 - +8
F+3 - +7
F+3,3 - +36, +44
F+3,B+2 - +60, +48
F+4 - +50, +33
Forward Throw - +7
Backward Throw - +9
Ball - +11, -6
Down Ball - +6, -11
Up Ball - +35, +18
Choke - -3
Knife Throw - +10
Air Throw - +12
Kano Ball - +5, -12
Downward Ball - +12
Uprise Ball - +13, -1
Kano Choke - +7
Knife Toss - +17
Just The Tip - +12

Duration
1 - 30
1,1 - 40
1,1,2 - 65
2 - 41
2,1 - 55
2,1,2 - 74
3 - 42
3,3 - 66
4 - 47
D+1 - 25
D+2 - 48
D+3 - 20
D+4 - 33
B+1 - 28
B+1,1 - 65
B+1,1,2 - 77
B+1,2 - 62
B+2 - 59
B+2,3 - 72
B+2,F+1 - 79
B+4 - 48
F+1 - 31
F+1,1 - 51
F+1,2 - 61
F+3 - 53
F+3,3 - 76
F+3,B+2 - 67
F+4 - 52
Throw - 36
Ball - 69
Up Ball - 48
Choke - 38
Knife Throw - 47
Kano Ball - 71-368
Uprise Ball - 65
Kano Choke - 38
Knife Toss - 40
Just The Tip - 62

Cancel Advantage (block)
1 - +19
1,1 - +19
1,1,2 - +12
2 - +14
2,1 - +17
3 - +9
3,3 - +4
4 - +16
D+1 - +1
D+3 - +2
D+4 - +26
B+1 - +16
B+1,1 - +17
B+1,2 - +22
B+2 - +8
B+2,3 - +16
B+2,F+1 - +19
F+1 - +15
F+1,1 - +20
F+1,2 - +26
F+3 - +17
F+4 - +21

Cancel Advantage (hit)
1 - +65
1,1 - +25
1,1,2 - +15
2 - +28
2,1 - +23
3 - +20
3,3 - +17
4 - +31
D+1 - +15
D+1 (vs crouch) - +13
D+3 - +12
D+3 (vs crouch) - +19
D+4 - +32
D+4 (vs crouch) - +25
B+1 - +19
B+1,1 - +32
B+1,2 - +28
B+2 - +47, +51
B+2,3 - +68, +51
B+2,F+1 - +78, +61
F+1 - +15
F+1,1 - +27
F+1,2 - +32
F+3 - +39
F+4 - +69, +52

Miscellaneous
Breaker (when grounded vs grounded opponent) - ~+12, ~+11

 

[MaceWind]

Dude, I swear I just tweeted about anticipating this like 20 seconds ago. *Mace Hug*

 

[Jimmypotato]

Dude, I swear I just tweeted about anticipating this like 20 seconds ago. *Mace Hug*

Glad to see you didn't go back on that hug lol

 

[THTB]

Stuck!

 

[MaceWind]

Well, this confirmed what I already knew (suspected) about EX-Knives not having any advantage on block. I dropped trying to use that and instead use it for its faster recovery.

 

[Derptile]

Stay free Kano....

 

[MaceWind]

I'm confused on something if 3 = 18 then how can 3,3 = 6? Am I reading something wrong? Is it supposed to be 3,3 = 24?

 

[Medina4life]

Somberness , you need a twitter account sir

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

his strings need more damage. Simple as that.

 

[Somberness]

I'm confused on something if 3 = 18 then how can 3,3 = 6? Am I reading something wrong? Is it supposed to be 3,3 = 24?

The execution number refers to the last move. Also, adding them together does not equal how long it takes to hit in total. I will likely add that in the future.

Somberness , you need a twitter account sir

Time to stop allowing PMs then.

 

[STRYKIE]

Despite everything else being painfully slow, 2,1,2 is neutral on block as I suspected, interesting. (very little experience against committed Kano players)

 

[GNG Iniquity]

Ugh. No advantage on block and EX knife is -3 on block. Choke is even negative on block, wtf. Okay, I think it's official now, Kano sucks.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Ugh. No advantage on block and EX knife is -3 on block. Choke is even negative on block, wtf. Okay, I think it's official now, Kano sucks.

yep. Choke should be 0. That would give him a chance to build meter safely on block strings. b1,1,2~choke would build a good deal while allowing him to mix up afterward.
Kano is an X-ray character... and simply having the thread of 41% coming off makes people jump a lot... which gives him great advantage.
He just needs his normal bnb's to do more damage. he would play more like Kitana than Freddy.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

yep. Choke should be 0. That would give him a chance to build meter safely on block strings. b1,1,2~choke would build a good deal while allowing him to mix up afterward.
Kano is an X-ray character... and simply having the thread of 41% coming off makes people jump a lot... which gives him great advantage.
He just needs his normal bnb's to do more damage. he would play more like Kitana than Freddy.

The problem is, Jax is also an xray character, except not only does he get that meaty grab xray he also gets corner resets that can take your entire life. Not to mention his pressure, better tools and viable armor. Kano needs more than just his bnb's getting bigger damage, B2 needs to be faster, he needs his old knives back, there needs to be a 100% reliable means to do EX horizontal ball and get the armor without the charge (lazy ass NRS). Choke should be neutral on block, he needs at least one string that's advantage on block, EX knives SHOULD be advantage on block even if it's by a small amount. I had my suspicions about how bad his frame data was and it's very unfortunate but he has nothing that I feel he excels at anymore, or is all that viable, period.

 

[Keep it moist]

I dont think NRS acctually know the frame data for characters themselves if the knew why would they have a character like this?

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Daaam kano is even better then I thought! thanx sombernes soo much. if only there is a way to repay you
is everyone in this thread fucking high? okay do me a favor and keep thinking kano sucks

 

[MagicMan357]

My god kano sucks ass i knew it, WTF is up with 18 frames on 3?

They really just like fucking with kano seriously. His choke and air toss are fucking pointless now and he really doesnt have any setups.

 

[Keep it moist]

acctually kano does have some setups

 

[MagicMan357]

acctually kano does have some setups

that are actually worthwhile and make him not suck

 

[Keep it moist]

if you guys need to i can post some tech that i have for kano that i didnt really post up

 

[Keep it moist]

that are actually worthwhile and make him not suck

think 70% if everything connects

 

[MagicMan357]

think 70% if everything connects

keyword = IF

lol poor ol kano

his frame data doesnt even seem to legitimately let him od anything special

 

[Keep it moist]

you can condition the opponent that likes to press buttons on wakeup

 

[MagicMan357]

you can condition the opponent that likes to press buttons on wakeup

That is very true but risky. I used to do crossups kick or whiff after a choke or air throw for bait but with wake up invincibility its pointless.

 

[Gruntypants]

Damn, Kano Sux ballz.