That's exactly what you should be doing and Fate players don't use this primary strategy, that's why they think SG is a bad MU for fate too.I know i might get crucified for this but ive had more success in this match up keeping her out with joker and baiting the teleport.
homie if ur baiting a teleport your playing a bunch of shit supergirls. @sulfer she pretty much controls this matchup at every part of the screen unless the SG player doesn't know the mu and/or is playing unnecessarily risky.I know i might get crucified for this but ive had more success in this match up keeping her out with joker and baiting the teleport.
Lately ive been trying to play super lame with joker if my opponent is not a zoner. But i have more trouble with the fate matchup then SGhomie if ur baiting a teleport your playing a bunch of shit supergirls. @sulfer she pretty much controls this matchup at every part of the screen unless the SG player doesn't know the mu and/or is playing unnecessarily risky.
That being said if you guys have some tech for this MU feel free to post it...I made this post in jest (no pun intended) but if there is some nice tech feel free to share and we can all profit. It seems to be the general consensus among the joker discord that SG is the worst match up and theres a lot of lab fiends in that disc. Pls don't say "block wu and punish or bait teleport and punish" because if super girl knows whats up she won't be using teleport for anything more than a whiff punish or something. Also without meter she can easily just elect to delay WU and nullify our setups instead of waking up. We have no tools to deal with most of her air gameplan and unlike supes her air laser isn't punishable by gun.
But I am totally all ears to suggestions about this! Send tech! haha
Ya that mu is also rough.Lately ive been trying to play super lame with joker if my opponent is not a zoner. But i have more trouble with the fate matchup then SG
Basically i try to play lame and get damage on her with overhead gas can(i know its fucking slow) and gun shot. If she gets too close or tries to fly over my head i d2 into teeth and back up and repeat. Eventually she will go for that tele. I wait for it and punish it. His jump 2 was nerfed alot so i dont fish for the cross up anymore. You whiff you die lol.Ya that mu is also rough.
So care to shed some light on your gameplan vs sg? I mean for real her mobility is a huge issue. Joker struggles against chars that either zone so well he can't zone at all, or have tools that negate teeth pretty easily (sg flight) or d2 is quite useful (super girl d2 is quite good vs joker's air options). If the sg is spacing correctly she can react in a lot of ways with flight.
Depends on who you're playing. Better Supergirl players will not abuse teleport but most of them will try to test your reactions first.I'd say baiting airdash is far more useful in this MU than trying to bait teleport.
I'd never test a joker with a teleport.. Lol. That MU is strictly footsies, and the footsies are in SG's favor -- so there's no reason to take the risk.Depends on who you're playing. Better Supergirl players will not abuse teleport but most of them will try to test your reactions first.
Yeah.... but Yolo.I'd never test a joker with a teleport.. Lol. That MU is strictly footsies, and the footsies are in SG's favor -- so there's no reason to take the risk.
I mean I agree for the most part with what your saying and I pull out the W vs some supergirls obviously but there are some really good ones that I play sets with that make it feel impossible. Most of those super girls I play aren't going to get their mb laser stuffed by gun because they usually only use that when they land a touch to convert for bigger damage. Most of their zoning is just regular trait or trait in the air.Depends on who you're playing. Better Supergirl players will not abuse teleport but most of them will try to test your reactions first.
one missed j3 is a free trip guard SGs advancing string is od, MU is def a scary one. one thing i've been having a big problem with is SGs just throwing out ice breath in neutral it has alot of range and if they MB it its almost like a shield to humble you as they pressure youI'd never test a joker with a teleport.. Lol. That MU is strictly footsies, and the footsies are in SG's favor -- so there's no reason to take the risk.
yea u can't really abuse j3 really one of his only real ways of playing neutral in this MU , damn times like this in theory the trait would sound pretty good with it changing the jump speed and all but it feels impractical to use considering it doesn't become worth really till lvl2 and its fairly easy to just run away and wait it out.If they're throwing out regular ice breath, then they should be getting punished for it. The normal breath is -20 & the extended is -18. The mb extended breath is the only safe one.
Imo, the biggest issues are she out footsies him. He has a decent d2 for an anti-air, though. Just since her trait exists, it makes him think twice. She doesn't need to teleport really. D1 & D3 low profiles his gun, too.
For me Green Arrow because crouching arrows means GA wins almost everywhere on the screen. He's got a bunch of ways to get out of teeth set-ups. You're gonna spend all day trying to get in and when you do you'll have to deal with the fact that GA's normals are just as good as Joker's. Even Arrows j3 can contend with Joker's.I mean I agree for the most part with what your saying and I pull out the W vs some supergirls obviously but there are some really good ones that I play sets with that make it feel impossible. Most of those super girls I play aren't going to get their mb laser stuffed by gun because they usually only use that when they land a touch to convert for bigger damage. Most of their zoning is just regular trait or trait in the air.
Which MUs do you believe to be worse? The only other char I have anywhere near as much trouble with is fate. Id even rather play Deadshot.
I bait teleports and do well but I'm assuming I wouldn't be able to do that at top level play lol most supergirl mains online are braindead1. Pull down pants
2. Grab ankles.
3. Pray for lube.
Post your own tech if it differs from above I will update op.