Saltiest Joker Player
Okay Doctor Fate is going to zone every character in the game, lets get that out there first. Just because Fate is zoning you doesnt mean it's a bad MU -- please try to understand this. So joker gets zoned by Fate like every other character, he has to respect the F2 like every other character and he has to deal with the wakeup like every other character (except not really cause he has teeth to throw down).
So every point you've made does not relate to joker v fate specifically (zoned out, beaten by f2, has to deal with wakeup). Every character has these problems against Doctor Fate, as they should, its up to you as a player to find specific answers with your character. All the points you made are relevant to why Doctor Fate is a good character and on the other side you essentially say nothing about the Joker as a character and what his gameplan is. You seem to have a tenuous understanding of what the joker is supposed to do in general since you offer no insight.
This is your breakdown of the MU:
Doctor Fate's fireballs (joker has no options)
Fate's f2 (no options)
Fate's Wakeup (no options)
So why see why its tough to believe you or even think you have the right intentions here..
No I get what you're saying. I was simply putting what beats joker and as I stated prior about f2 and etc, joker has to make the proper read to handle that and the big ankh, like parry the f2, but if the fate reads that, it's a full punish so it's not a favorable option. Also mb f/b3 but f2 cancel to big ankh breaks armor so again unfavorable. Just some examples.
The only tool joker has to combat all of fates zoning tools is mb gun to stop fate, however Fate recovers fast enough on most of his projectiles to block it and once trait is out and fate has his stuff going, nothing is favorable for joker full or midscreen. Mb rolling in gets joker hit with f2 and joker has to take it, rather blocking or being punished for the roll. Basically, the only way joker is going to successfully get in is by making the proper read.
Now, Fate getting knocked down. As I said earlier, Fate has a wake up that needs to be respected. Jokers go to option, mb f/b3. Teeth can be ignored by delayed wake up. The teeth f3 setup can be whiffed over delayed wake up and punished or fate can start to apply pressure. Now of course joker can make the read on fates delayed wake up and delay teeth but that, again, is a READ.
This is very much a read-based MU heavily favorable to Fate. Was that a bit better?
I'm being very general but if there's something specific you would like to talk about I'm open to that as I stated in my thread.