Has NRS done a good job patching Mortal Kombat X so far?

[Ares_Supreme]

No character should get 44% meterless. End of discussion.

As i have said multiple times in this thread a damage nerf is a non-issue for me. Also i'm sure if u dig deep enough 40%+ would show up in quite a few characters meterless

 

[BloodyNights]

No character should get 44% meterless. End of discussion.

Kitana get's 41-42% meterless

 

[Ares_Supreme]

Mid tier character, both before and after the nerfs, who I've stuck with SINCE the nerfs, and who I mained back in MK9? Sure. That makes sense. Absolute tier whoring right there.

This isn't even a stab at you, I'm just saying, you literally just said you mained Raiden until the nerfs, swapped to Scorpion, and if they nerf him you will swap again. If this isn't tier whoring, what is? The fact that players like you are using Scorpion right now just suggests he's the kind that might be in need of looking at.

And I'm not even saying that he does, I'm fine with Scorpion as is. Just saying, tier whores saying they gonna jump ship to the next OP character if he gets nerfed, kinda hurts the argument that hes fine

I play Scorpion, Liu Kang, and Raiden. What do they all have in common? FBCs. If they nerf HF Scorpion's FBCs he no longer fits my playstyle and i'd very likely return to Liu Kang.

 

[Bidu]

If you are Sub-Zero, he has the exact same jump 3 as Scorpion, only difference is Scorpion gets a lot more out of it than Sub-Zero. lol

You're right. I'm so dumb I never noticed that. Maybe that's the reason I use jump in kicks as Sub once in a life time. We get shit from it.

Nope nope nope. Out on block needed to go. Stop this now.

Doesn't matter if it knocked him out the top 5, the meta for some matchups was horrible prepatch. Getting of that is more important than him staying top tier

He was not even top5 pre-patch. lol Top10? Definitely.

Anyways, why do you believe clone should vanish on block? Saying what you said couldn't be more vague.

 

[BloodyNights]

You're right. I'm so dumb I never noticed that. Maybe that's the reason I use jump in kicks as Sub once in a life time. We get shit from it.

He has amazing jump punches to use instead. lol But yeah, just thought I'd bring that up to you. They share a few of the exact same normals. D4, NJP, NJK, J3. Their D3 is almost identical but Sub's is slightly better.

 

[Wigy]

You're right. I'm so dumb I never noticed that. Maybe that's the reason I use jump in kicks as Sub once in a life time. We get shit from it.



He was not even top5 pre-patch. lol Top10? Definitely.

Anyways, why do you believe clone should vanish on block? Saying what you said couldn't be more vague.

Well for some characters Jumping in is basically your only option to attack while the clone is up -and even then a crappy one, and if subby can just take your jump in and u fall into the clone that makes some matchups horrendous

Why do think he needs it. I see no reason. I play fistcuffs/a list JC that matchup is already fucking horrible. Same with lackey torr.

 

[Wigy]

As i have said multiple times in this thread a damage nerf is a non-issue for me. Also i'm sure if u dig deep enough 40%+ would show up in quite a few characters meterless

On situational stuff maybe, and with much higher execution.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I play Scorpion, Liu Kang, and Raiden. What do they all have in common? FBCs. If they nerf HF Scorpion's FBCs he no longer fits my playstyle and i'd very likely return to Liu Kang.

Fair enough, makes more sense

 

[coolwhip]

Please stop saying block infinites.

 

[-narshkajke-]

I wasn't being serious with the probation, but at the same time i think subzero mains should stop bringing him up or else every thread will get derailed.

habibi, if you check his early post, he not just mention sub, he mentions other characters as well, it's just by mentioning the name of sub-zero, people got overly sensitive around here, that's why the topic got derailed.

 

[STRYKIE]

However, i dont understand why HF scorpion is at an advantage with dash canceling his 214 fireball. I dont think liu has that same or similar advantage

F213 fireball dash cancel with Liu is plus on block, following up with B1 will beat almost anything.

Not sure how you can say scorpions not needing a nerf he effectively get like 40-50% and a bar from a combo, has top 3 air control and great footsies.

The FBC is just too much, he gets free JIP's all game because of the fear of his j3 hitting you. That leads to like 12% chip and he can finish with a HKD or full combo or grab.

The worst part, its BY FAR the easiest cancel!

Makes me wonder why i play JC, scorpions pressure is 10x better

I can agree with a damage scaling nerf. But you can't just look at the semantic "just because" side of it. Other characters WILL usurp that damage in due time.

By the way, can you give me some tips on making Scorpion's D4 + on block, and making his advancing mids/mixup options double digits + on block? Thanks in advance.

 

[Bidu]

Well for some characters Jumping in is basically your only option to attack while the clone is up -and even then a crappy one, and if subby can just take your jump in and u fall into the clone that makes some matchups horrendous

Why do think he needs it. I see no reason. I play fistcuffs/a list JC that matchup is already fucking horrible. Same with lackey torr.

I often meter burn myself out of corner using interactables against characters with extremely good corner offense (A good Erron Black for one). Sometimes it's a meter worth using. And maybe another variation? That would practically (maybe literally?) end all your problems without even having to patch the fucking game. It's not even considering counter picking, after all you're not even changing the god damn character lol

About what if he needs it or not, against the majority of characters I don't even feel the difference most of matches. But it makes Sub really, really weak against some. Tanya for one. It's not a impossible match. But from experience I would say it's a 7-3, Tanya's favor. Don't know if Tom Brady or DJT have another opinion here.

Anyways, my point is: DO NOT PATCH IT SO SOON!!!

 

[Bidu]

Please stop saying block infinites.

But I don't even know how to block breaker!!!

 

[STRYKIE]

What I love about these threads are the clueless fucks who post a million different things that include but aren't limited to

Buffs for their mains
Nerfs to characters when they are bad players and even worse judges of balance
System changes that there is a high chance to be unable to change with this engine
Character specific changes that would require an entire universal mechanic to change exclusively for them

This.

 

[Shark Tank]

Pyromancer Tanya and Balanced Kenshi are very viable zoning variations.

Summoner too.

But tis not enough

 

[Eddy Wang]

they did a good job, still i'd still like to see the following changes

General Adjustments:
-remove ALL Option Selects
-make the block breaker more viable, 2 bars of stamina is too much
-fix the frame data in the move list

Started well

Scorpion:
-Cancels should cost 35-50% of stamina

Fuck no

Erron Black:
-ex sand grenade should be -6

No

Jax:
-d1 should be -3 on block

No

Takeda:
-make f12 2+4 a true blockstring

No

Kung Lao:
-nerf the jump in 2, the range is way too good

Fuck no

Kung Jin
-nerf his NJP

Fuck no


Aside from remove all Option selects some of these changes are terrible. Its easy to say nerf Y, X, Z and don't give reasonable explanations on why you want them nerfed, those are things that can be easily managed from the defense point of view or offense point of view, none of those are game breaking. You just seem to be terrible overall at this game.
I still find laughably surprising how people still can't punish Kung Jin's NJP 3 months old in the game, and he doesn't even has ovewhelming pressure on the hands of a scrub player.
#GitGud Bro

 

[Bidu]

I disagree. Shinnok is a lot better now. More importantly, we're going to see more of him.

Erron is still in the top 5, but reducing his hit advantage off tackle somewhat weakened his oki game. Making sand toss more negative also helped, because now EB players can't just derp sand toss out all the time.

Honestly, i don't want to see EB get nerfed too much more. Good characters should stay good.

I think buffs need to go toward Kitana, Goro, Necro Shinnok again, a few others.

Something HAS to be done about Black's 21221 string. Players abuse it so much, It's so cheap and rewarding that it aint even fun. Other than that, leave him alone.

 

[TopTierHarley]

Something HAS to be done about Black's 21221 string. Players abuse it so much, It's so cheap and rewarding that it aint even fun. Other than that, leave him alone.

String so broken, people can't get the notation right.

 

[Prinz]

I agree with the changes they've made. Erron is OK now. None of the characters needs to be toned down at the moment, only buffs to the lesser variations.

 

[Error404]

I don't disagree (check that tier list thread, people think he's worse than reptile, shinnok, mileena and even in some cases kitana...) but they had absolutely no reason to nerf that character in any way whatsoever which is why I bring up tournament results and it couldn't have been online outcry him and goro are probably the least used characters in the game.

Yeah because you should balance a fighting game based on a month 1 tier list made by casual players.

 

[Metzos]

Wow i am surprised, NO ONE talked about AA's. This game is literally a jump fest (with very few exceptions who have really good AA's) for the majority of the cast.

As for buffs/nerfs:

Scorpion:

Reduces his dmg in HF var a bit. Character does almost 50% MIDSCREEN with 1 bar.

Reduce a bit his active frames on his jk, cause this is truly getting ridiculous.

Jax:

Make his d3 -5f on block and his d12 -10f on block.

Increase his recovery frames by 4f on his 11 string or make it minus on block. Shit is so fast you cant event interrupt it if you get lockedown.

Cassie Cage:

Increase recovery frames on her 212 string or make it minus on block. Same reasons as Jax.

Make her d3 -5f on block, or increase its startup frames by 2f.

Ermac:

For Mystic variation, make his TKP -15f. Kenshi got it. Why not Ermac?

Make b32 and f43 cancellable.

Fix the b12 string so it hits mid (unless the frame data is wrong and its indeed high).

Give him CONSISTENT armor on his wake up tp.

Fix his ex-force blast inconsistent hit box.

Goro:

Solid AA for obvious reasons.

Better hit box for his b12u2 string.

Better walkspeed for obvious reasons. He doesnt need a run speed buff.

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[SaSSolino]

adding some block frames to sonya's divekick, doublekick (cartwheel) and low alternative?

 

[SaSSolino]

I agree with the changes they've made. Erron is OK now. None of the characters needs to be toned down at the moment, only buffs to the lesser variations.

quan chi summoner?

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Yeah because you should balance a fighting game based on a month 1 tier list made by casual players.

people who think ferra is so low are tourny players included, better to nerf characters week one i suppose that aren't placing or being played online, it's three months in we can talk about how good characters are by now...

 

[Error404]

people who think ferra is so low are tourny players included, better to nerf characters week one i suppose that aren't placing or being played online, it's three months in we can talk about how good characters are by now...

You know who else was considered weak in mk9 by "tournament players" ? Kenshi and Sonya. And look how that turned out.