Nivek
Athena guide me, the thunder God...
record some games of yours to enlighten us plz..i would like to see some of your gameplay and mindgames.. im not disrespecting you but im curious to see you, because you are insisting sooo much!
record some games of yours to enlighten us plz..i would like to see some of your gameplay and mindgames.. im not disrespecting you but im curious to see you, because you are insisting sooo much!
Sure. I would normally play my roomate offline since online is so horrendous but my stick is broken and I had to ship it back to the godamn razer store. I'm going to my local later today, not sure if there will be a stream but I'll play some Raiden there
Making it safe gets minimal damage and if you're midscreen creates space (which harms raiden). Yes it pushes to the corner a bit but it's not like he has guaranteed pressure after.
Which variation(s) do you play? How do you get that first touch?
I play Displacer the most, then Thunder god. I'm just now looking into MoS though but I think the other two are great where they are
playing against these 2 character as raiden makes me want to shoot myself
Get ready to get disappointed, unless you have no expectations. Then just get ready.
How am I suppose to answer that, the first touch comes differently every time in any fighting game or any match up, it entirely depends on what I think my opponent will do first. There is no one guaranteed way to get first hit everytime, although maybe if F12 was mid......
Please use that move in a match and tell me how well it works.
by first touch i meant the first touch that sends them to the corner. It was in response to one of your previous posts. I don't expect any player of any character to get the first hit in a match all the time.
I don't get what you are asking.. Any combo into superman is instant corner carry. If you want me to reword it to "first combo" then sure
More like Lackey D1 lolObviously you haven't met Kano's D4.
What do you do as Raiden to get the hit that leads into superman? What plan do use? Is there a normal you notice that your opponent usually gets hit by?
In Displacer either confirm off of F12B2 or F2 2+4 into an ex shocker combo with superman ender or just raw EX shocker for armor into superman ender. Or just cancel the overhead or low into normal shocker and just teleport after to stay on them. In thunder god Ill hold down the lightning strings to give myself time cancel into different options on reaction to whether they block or not: shocker to be safe, fireball cancel backdash to bait a reversal depending on the character, or if I see it hit them Ill just cancel into the superman directly. Overhead to normal shocker also really good for the first hit overall even though its not a combo and obviously good grabs and pokes are still options too.
I don't want to get too much into what you said because I feel it would get into super theory fighting.
(I really miss it 
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Im just never going to be convinced that making F12 mod again will be a good idea. If that string is mid its would be be a mid that is also:I don't want to get too much into what you said because I feel it would get into super theory fighting.
But with the lightning strings your opponent has no reason to mash buttons. Just wait for the backdash and chase. You put yourself into a situation where you eat mixups or better pressure and you have may have to make hard reads.
F1 and f2 getting beat by quick low pokes.
I hope when you do ex shocker that's for gap punishes or you're talking about risky, costly guesses.
I don't use displacer so I can't comment on how good teleport is in certain situations.
The common thing here is raiden doesn't have anything that's good and reliable besides anti airs and even then that can be shaky ground.
However, with that 6f mid he had a nice reason to press buttons.
P.s. Good luck in your local!!!
It being his Best footsie tool doesn't mean it covers everything. There are still places to use f4 and f2. That's like saying all sub has to do is clone. Or that cassie just has to use b1 all day. There's more to it than that and if you try to boil any of these characters down like that, you're gonna have a harder time than someone that uses all the tools.
Im trying to discuss the character as well but since my viewpoint is different from the majority it is being seen as wrong. I play this character too, one of only three characters I have played with offline. Yes F2 can be low profiled at max range and yes B1 does not have great horizontal range but I dont think that makes his nuetral as weak as everyone else is implying. Teleport is very good in the nuetral (EX is insane now) and I still think people should look into using F4 more as a low crush. F4 goes over literally anything that is a low attack: completely ignores Predator D4 or any D4 or D3, Ferra Torr F2 low scoop, Low fireball attacks like Lius or Errons, goes over HQT EX low lasers, warlock quans and boneshaper shinnoks low armor scoops, Sub and Reptile slides.. Only low Ive found it doesnt beat is Mileenas roll. I dont think Raidens nuetral is the best in the game, but working a little in the nuetral is fine with me when Im only one superman away from no more worrying about the nuetral. I think the new F4 definitely plays a part though considering it is beating out a lot of moves that would normally be considered problems.
Who is waiting for buffs? Who said you were wrong? This is a thread about Raiden needing help so people will post what they think would help. And I think I'm the only one really posting about f1 being a mid. Raiden doesn't just work hard in neutral, he basically gambles. F2 and don't get low poked. or F4 and don't end up -3 in you're opponent's face. I use F4 all the time, using MoS you learn to really check the whole movelist. But with no stagger pressure or plus stuff to take advantage of, Raiden's options are very singular. Where F2 and F4 are a threat is pretty close to your opponent. If f1 where mid, Raiden could get some frame traps going. Some hesitation pressure. Actually make his opponent fearful of his next button instead of just holding block waiting for his strings to end.
I'm hesitant to say 8 or 9, but if his F1 was to be made a mid and raise it's start up frames, would you be cool with that? Or any other Raiden main that reads this?
