General/Other - Ferra/Torr Ferra & Torr General Discussion Thread

[BlahBlahLOL]

Yeah, I can't believe how hard people are sleeping on Ferra/Torr. From the get go I knew I was going to love this character and I haven't been disappointed yet. I play several other members of the cast (although I've been narrowing it down considerably), and F/T's the only character I enjoy playing all variations of; every other character has 1 variation I pretty much stick with 100%.

Same here, I try other chars and start to practice with them and then shortly feel like I am wasting time when I could be improving on one of F/Ts variations. The only other char I have even liked remotely close to F/T is War God Kotal Kahn

It was interesting at combo breaker that it was mentioned quite a few times people are sleeping on him, at one point they even said he could be "secret top tier". I still find it surprising this is the least active character section.

 

[bomb]

Why after a Lackey X-ray does Torr wait for Ferra to get back on his back only to have her get off his back? Seriously pisses me off. Maybe all characters do not move for that long after an X-ray but it seems extremely long to get Torr moving again.

 

[Doombawkz]

Why after a Lackey X-ray does Torr wait for Ferra to get back on his back only to have her get off his back? Seriously pisses me off. Maybe all characters do not move for that long after an X-ray but it seems extremely long to get Torr moving again.

Has to be that way for balance reasons.

 

[Wetdoba]

I mean were already plus on block for our xray for some reason so yeah Id rather take that than huge advantage on hit lol

 

[delbuster]

applicable to chars with tick grabs on block but not hit. use the block-only OS to do something else if the tick actually hits.

 

[Wetdoba]

applicable to chars with tick grabs on block but not hit. use the block-only OS to do something else if the tick actually hits.

Ok so I like what I see but what do you have to do to make the command grab not come out on hit?

 

[delbuster]

do it kind of late. it's the Block Only os

 

[Matador Fiend]

I have been splitting my time the last two days pretty equally amongst Lackey and Vicious and I just can't choose between them this character is a blast! Gonna post some video of my F/T tomorrow or the day after get you guys to help me out especially on the defense with Vicious.

Be sure to post those ragequits too brah!

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Be sure to post those ragequits too brah!

assume you're referring to when I leave at the fatality screen every match? Same thing as restarts in offline

 

[Doombawkz]

applicable to chars with tick grabs on block but not hit. use the block-only OS to do something else if the tick actually hits.

This is that smart shit right here.
Good on ya broman. I'm guessing it works the same for Ruthless since the grab is about the same speed?

 

[RYX]

so im playing lackey

how do i keep up the pressure with him up close

 

[Doombawkz]

so im playing lackey

how do i keep up the pressure with him up close

*Sprays the Shokan-be-gone*
Get out of here you punchwalker.

 

[RYX]

*Sprays the Shokan-be-gone*
Get out of here you punchwalker.

punchwalk doesnt have projectile immunity

so ima play torr

 

[Doombawkz]

punchwalk doesnt have projectile immunity

so ima play torr

He has actual projectiles.

Go see if the Quan players want you, their portal does projectile invulnerability AND they have armor.

 

[delbuster]

works for any cmd grab that works from d3/d1 as a tick when canceled

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

*Sprays the Shokan-be-gone*
Get out of here you punchwalker.

good lord the PUNCWALK RACISM IS HARSH

 

[Sutter Pain]

This is probably day 1 tech but incase anyone didn't know normal Ferra charge in lackey will blow up some strings with gaps in them. Example Sonya's b24 overhead low comes in pretty damn handy in that matchup.

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Noticed today you can't do block strings into ferra toss (close) against female characters that stay ducking (unless they are in the corner)

EDIT: just noticed there's a thread already about that

 

[Audit]

This is probably day 1 tech but incase anyone didn't know normal Ferra charge in lackey will blow up some strings with gaps in them. Example Sonya's b24 overhead low comes in pretty damn handy in that matchup.

You can also do charge through Erron Black's strings with gunshots in them because the startup is Projectile immune. Or if they throw a projectile at the end of the string. Shotgun Jacqui is so prone to projectile invulnerability charge.

 

[MadeFromMetal]

Can someone give me some advice on using d4? I'm severely underusing it in favor of d3 (faster but shorter) and d1 (faster but mid). I'm not entirely certain in which situations I should be using it, so any insight is appreciated.

 

[Wetdoba]

Can someone give me some advice on using d4? I'm severely underusing it in favor of d3 (faster but shorter) and d1 (faster but mid). I'm not entirely certain in which situations I should be using it, so any insight is appreciated.

I mostly use it for baiting high hitting wake ups like Raiden's. Other than that it is still pretty good for its range and the fact its over plus 20 on hit and plus 2 on block. After a d4 on block most everyone likes pressing buttons so i folow up with a d1 to interrupt that shit and get pluss 20, then go for a mix up. It also has decent cancel advantage so d4 into overhead Ferra is a decent gimmick as well as d4 cancelled into p[ain n gain. Also d4xxcommand grab is a tick throw in Vicious. Other than that its just a decent footsie tool with good frame advantage

 

[MadeFromMetal]

I mostly use it for baiting high hitting wake ups like Raiden's. Other than that it is still pretty good for its range and the fact its over plus 20 on hit and plus 2 on block. After a d4 on block most everyone likes pressing buttons so i folow up with a d1 to interrupt that shit and get pluss 20, then go for a mix up. It also has decent cancel advantage so d4 into overhead Ferra is a decent gimmick as well as d4 cancelled into p[ain n gain. Also d4xxcommand grab is a tick throw in Vicious. Other than that its just a decent footsie tool with good frame advantage

Thanks, man. I really gotta get back into Vicious/Ruthless. I've been devoting all my time to Lackey lately.

 

[PowerOfLegend]

Can someone give me some advice on using d4? I'm severely underusing it in favor of d3 (faster but shorter) and d1 (faster but mid). I'm not entirely certain in which situations I should be using it, so any insight is appreciated.

To add to what Wetdoba said, I particularly like it as an anti-rushdown tool when the other guy is trying to get in. If a character like Cassie or Sonya is running at you from far enough away, you've got time to catch them with the D4 before they get to you. If it hits, you get enough advantage to throw out a mixup combo starter, and if they block, it pushes them far enough away to be out of range for a lot of their normals, but still within the range of your B2 or NJP. D4's big strength is the spacing.

 

[MadeFromMetal]

To add to what Wetdoba said, I particularly like it as an anti-rushdown tool when the other guy is trying to get in. If a character like Cassie or Sonya is running at you from far enough away, you've got time to catch them with the D4 before they get to you. If it hits, you get enough advantage to throw out a mixup combo starter, and if they block, it pushes them far enough away to be out of range for a lot of their normals, but still within the range of your B2 or NJP. D4's big strength is the spacing.

I didn't realize the spacing was that good on block. I'll have to get used to using it. In what situations would you favor d4 over d1 and vice versa?

 

[Wetdoba]

I didn't realize the spacing was that good on block. I'll have to get used to using it. In what situations would you favor d4 over d1 and vice versa?

D4 if you think they will block for continued frame advantage or if you just want to create space and back them off of you, D1 if you want to interrupt pressure and start yours. D4, then followed up with 4 2+4 is a great way to get some pushback and 4 2+4 is also plus 2, even though it leaves you with no Ferra, it gives you time to do that Lackey D1 if they think they can still get in now that Ferra is off you