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Yeah, if DJT was blind REO would've had better chances too, I agree.
Yeah, if DJT was blind REO would've had better chances too, I agree.
That's interesting. @Protagonist_1 Is that the case? Because that kinda changes things since the standing reset disables wake-ups, which makes it quite different from the knockdown guessing game.
But would he have babied him?
Yeah definitely not the way I see it, I'm only stressing the POV of lesser informed players.
In either case though, a lot of the knockdowns don't lead to a guessing game anyway. For example all of those midscreen ground saws mostly just led to increased space and more iAGBs. And in general, whether a knockdown really leads to a serious oki game is so much more situational, matchup-driven and a lot less common in MK9 than say IGAU.
I should add, this is taken from fighting sports, where there's usually a Significant Strikes/Punches tally alongside the general Strikes/Punches Landed tally. Similarly in fighting, there's no such thing as an "insignificant" strike, as every punch landed matters both in terms of gaining advantage and scoring -- but the "significant" strikes are just what they consider the heavier-hitting/more damaging ones to be, and they denote the separation.
I know I would.That's interesting. @Protagonist_1 Is that the case? Because that kinda changes things since the standing reset disables wake-ups, which makes it quite different from the knockdown guessing game.
But would he have babied him?
Yeah I'm aware of Fightmetric's "significant strike" system in MMA. Huge fan of that website.
It should be noted that DJT also finished 2nd in Injustice at that EVO.
There were 4 resets by Cyrax that weren't broken in this GF. He actually won the first round with one. And a couple of them were broken at the point where it was obvious that the reset would be successful.
Just rewatched. There were three full resets that weren't broken. The ones that were broken don't count since REO explained why he actually waits before breaking (to let Cyrax spend a bar). I still wouldn't say the story of the grand finals were IAGB vs. 80% resets especially since one of three the 80% resets actually occured in a losing round for DJT, while IAGB weren't even that effective given how well DJT handled them.
Thanks for the post @CrimsonShadow . I originally did this for Sf4, because in SF4 a character is at a severe disadvantage when knocked down as opposed to remaining on their feet. I wanted to see how significant scoring knockdowns in MK9 would related to rounds won.I love analysis
Checking into the numbers for Match 2 round 1, REO has a breaker counted as one of his knockdowns, but Denzell never broke in that round.
I think in general though, we should talk about what these numbers represent. Imo there isn't much to be gained by comparing knockdowns, because each character's meta is so different. For example, in a typical round Kabal may get several insignificant knockdowns via ground saw or hook toss, whereas Cyrax might land one significant hit and take the entire round.
So a better statistic to compare might be "significant knockdowns" depending on how things play out. But even then, some characters may derive the majoriy of their damage through other things (including chip in MK9 specifically), so it's still hard to just compare one vs. the other in a direct fashion.
I think that by far the most useful statistic in analyzing key matches would be a damage breakdown. So that would entail, tallying each bit of damage received, and what started/led to it. Then you could look at the analysis and see where people statistically got the majority of the damage that won them the rounds. Which starters were most effective? Which did opponents most often get hit by? Were chip damage and incremental damage more deadly, or was it the bigger mistakes? How much did the little gains matter.
Something like that would be highly informative and lead to a better understanding of what it is that is actually opening people up most of the time.
The 4th one was broken after the reset actually happened at the point of being launched by a bomb and hit with NJP, so by that time reo broke because he just got meter to do it but lost about 60% already and couldn't afford more. That was pretty important for that round and match which DJT won. Again DJT won the first round of the first match (which was super important to win on a neutral stage) with an 80% reset. So resets played there role, but of course DJT's fundamentals did most of the work) IAGB meant a lot for Reo in the matches on Roof top day (which he won) because they built him crazy meter even though DJT avoided being hit by most of them. IAGB and a little NDC pressure basically allowed Reo to break 13 times in this set. But I know what you mean by idiots who say these was just 80% combos vs IAGB spamming. They obviously don't see the layers of meta game involved in this set.
The first part of the reset actually does 40% (maybe a little more) so not exactly 60% but yeah, point taken. Of course character tools were a factor, especially with characters as good as Cyrax and Kabal. I just mean that, as you said, it's unfair to say that was the whole story of the match.
