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direction PLUS button to block

is button PLUS direction to block a good idea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • No

    Votes: 27 84.4%

  • Total voters
    32

Sami

Warrior
50/50's exist is a lot of games and they come in more forms than just cross-ups. In those situations, when it's an unseeable guess, and not something you can block on reaction, you need to play your opponent more than his character and make reads based off of his habits. In my opinion, Cross-ups are one of the more fair 50/50's, most can be recognized given the right spacing and set up, and you use anti-air moves to stuff them, or some sort of evasive technique like an invincible backdash to get out of both options, or some sort of armor move.
I wasn't criticising 50/50s in general, just cross-ups. A fair 50/50 is one you actually react to, such as combo strings where the 50/50 setup has enough start-up frames for somebody who knows the animations just has time to react to. Your standard over/under jump cross-up/fakes are also easier to react to based on the jump arc.

When somebody lands straight on your head, it no longer becomes a reaction nor a read but a blind guess. IGAU is a prime example of this, with so many truly ambigious cross-ups existing in the game. Remember the complaints about Scorp's jump 3? Batman's jump 2? Both nearly if not completely impossible to react to. Raven's jump-in 3 is another example (as an unpopular character most people haven't caught on to just how horrific that move is). b23 someone in the corner and they land "under" you. Neutral jump 3 and you'll get a cross-up so ambiguous that even I don't know what side I'm landing on half the time because it's impossible to tell.

Again, I can not stress this enough: cross-ups that land right on top of you are not reads. Done correctly, the person doing the cross-up won't even know which side they're going to land on as it all comes down to the magic pixel. If you can read an opponent who is doing a move that he doesn't know how it will end then kudos to you, I wish I had your powers of precognition. The person crossing-up doesn't need to know what side they land on as anyone doing this kind of setup will follow it up with moves that don't rely on directional inputs (again, sorry to use Raven as an example, but after a cross-up 3 she can just d1 into combo. With a jump-in 2 she can 22 into combo or 3 into combo, again all moves that don't require a f/b input which would require you to either know what side you land on or be able to react to it extremely quickly).

As for anti-airs and the like, did you not notice the insane (and to be honest, quite ridiculous) AA buff nearly every character in Injustice recently got in order to deal with theses? The AA buffs didn't make it any easier to counter the cross-up, but made it easier to hit the opponent before they were on top of you. All of the AA in the world won't help you when put into a setup where you only have a couple of frames to react before the move connects, and unless you have a 1 frame AA that isn't going to work. Case and point: Raven and Batgirl's standing reset - time it right and the jump-in will hit the moment the combo is reset and the opponent is able to react, but the only reaction actually available is to guess which side the magic pixel is on.

MK does not need cross-ups or any other magic pixel blocking technique. Jump-in attacks are good in this game because done well they either lead to big combos on hit or big pressure on block. In a game with such high chip damage, jump-ins are good enough already. High chip damage and throws also help deal with turtle player who just block all day.


Cross-ups: just say no!
 

ShadowBeatz

Dropper of Bass and Bombs
On a personal note, I've always considered the cross-up to be a flaw in the directional blocking system. While it has become part of the standard for fighting games, the existence of a move that - when timed well - is completely impossible to read and requires a guess as to which pixel your opponent will side on is a fucking retarded mechanic.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!
 

TaffyMeat

Infinite Meter Kombos
If mk gets rid of the block button then it is not mk anymore. I love the block button. SF players should adapt to mk, instead of bitching that mk should be like sf
 

Kevlang

Noob
I think a block button is fine the way it is.

Although, if NRS really wanted to add some depth to cross ups, add a 2nd block button to replace the useless 'switch stance' left trigger.

It would work like back to block, but with the LT and RT shoulder buttons.

If someone crosses you up, you just switch triggers.

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Minh Giang

aka ChrsitianDMG on Stream
whatever, i just want to deep fighting game with mk chars and another great story again, do it nrs and you will have my money :p.
 

Kevlang

Noob
I wasn't criticising 50/50s in general, just cross-ups. A fair 50/50 is one you actually react to, such as combo strings where the 50/50 setup has enough start-up frames for somebody who knows the animations just has time to react to. Your standard over/under jump cross-up/fakes are also easier to react to based on the jump arc.

When somebody lands straight on your head, it no longer becomes a reaction nor a read but a blind guess. IGAU is a prime example of this, with so many truly ambigious cross-ups existing in the game. Remember the complaints about Scorp's jump 3? Batman's jump 2? Both nearly if not completely impossible to react to. Raven's jump-in 3 is another example (as an unpopular character most people haven't caught on to just how horrific that move is). b23 someone in the corner and they land "under" you. Neutral jump 3 and you'll get a cross-up so ambiguous that even I don't know what side I'm landing on half the time because it's impossible to tell.

Again, I can not stress this enough: cross-ups that land right on top of you are not reads. Done correctly, the person doing the cross-up won't even know which side they're going to land on as it all comes down to the magic pixel. If you can read an opponent who is doing a move that he doesn't know how it will end then kudos to you, I wish I had your powers of precognition. The person crossing-up doesn't need to know what side they land on as anyone doing this kind of setup will follow it up with moves that don't rely on directional inputs (again, sorry to use Raven as an example, but after a cross-up 3 she can just d1 into combo. With a jump-in 2 she can 22 into combo or 3 into combo, again all moves that don't require a f/b input which would require you to either know what side you land on or be able to react to it extremely quickly).

As for anti-airs and the like, did you not notice the insane (and to be honest, quite ridiculous) AA buff nearly every character in Injustice recently got in order to deal with theses? The AA buffs didn't make it any easier to counter the cross-up, but made it easier to hit the opponent before they were on top of you. All of the AA in the world won't help you when put into a setup where you only have a couple of frames to react before the move connects, and unless you have a 1 frame AA that isn't going to work. Case and point: Raven and Batgirl's standing reset - time it right and the jump-in will hit the moment the combo is reset and the opponent is able to react, but the only reaction actually available is to guess which side the magic pixel is on.

MK does not need cross-ups or any other magic pixel blocking technique. Jump-in attacks are good in this game because done well they either lead to big combos on hit or big pressure on block. In a game with such high chip damage, jump-ins are good enough already. High chip damage and throws also help deal with turtle player who just block all day.


Cross-ups: just say no!
I think the only way to make those ambiguous cross ups fair to both players is requiring jump in attacks to have a f/b input so the attacker has to commit to a direction for the cross up rather than inputting an attack without a clue as to which side it will hit.

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