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MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
I got inspired by @AK L0rdoftheFLY to dig into the combo science behind Kano's different combo options.

DISCLAIMER: I'm too bad at math and too tired to be bothered to develop this fully BUT this should give you an idea of which combos you should be using. I wrote out the EXACT damage for the f212 combos but then I realised it's SO MUCH WORK so this is more to give you an idea of how different combos scale.

These are all done from the corner towards midscreen as to not get extra damage from double hits from Kano ball (which will occur in the corner).


F212 with NO BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 2.30, 1.46, 4.85, 1.18, 1.12, 3.72, 4.04
Total damage: 29.89%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 1.11, 1.05, 3.50, 3.80
Total damage: 29,62%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 2.77, 1.58, 2.50, 1.20, 3.04
Total damage: 31,25%


Analysis: The last combo is without a doubt the best one BUT it's without a doubt the hardest. Between using double f212 or 2 slice it's really a toss up, but 2 slice will build more bar AND not cost you any stamina.


F212 with BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 2.88, 1.82, 6.06, 1.47, 1.4, 4.65, 5.05
Total damage: 37,36%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 1.38, 1.32, 4.37, 4.75
Total damage: 37,02%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 3.46, 3.12, 1.97, 1.50, 3.80
Total damage: 39,05%


Analysis: Same as above.

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112 EX Slice without BUFF

Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 38%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 37%



112 EX Slice with BUFF


Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 48%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 46%


Analysis: Use 2 slice after EX slice. Builds more meter, costs no stamina and does more damage. It's easy AF too.
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112 EX BUFF

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 44%


Analysis: Again b121 combo is harder but more rewarding.

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112 EX BUFF (2 bars)

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 50%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF 112 EX SLICE 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 52%


Analysis: If you know that you have 2 bars (and they don't have breaker) the 112 EX buff into 112 EX SLICE is the way to go, but many times you want a second to think about spending the next bar. If that's not the case double f212 OR 2 slice into 112 is the way to go. Interestingly enough the combo that does the least damage is b121 after slice (which is also the hardest).


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Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
I had no idea that you should be using B121~ball as the optimal ender lol. Good work by the way! :)
 
Scott The Scot

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
MsMiharo said:
It's great for ex slice combos but hard to get consistent after f212. It has a weird recapture property and will make you ALWAYS hit both hits of ball
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Funny that you say that, I was in the lab last night trying to find good combos that lets youhave both hits of ball for the ender. Problem solved it seems, haha. Surely the recent hitbox improvement to B1 helps a bunch with it?
 
MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Scott The Scot said:
Funny that you say that, I was in the lab last night trying to find good combos that lets youhave both hits of ball for the ender. Problem solved it seems, haha. Surely the recent hitbox improvement to B1 helps a bunch with it?
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Yeah it's all the difference. I'm working on some corner stuff as well. B312 b121 slice 112 ball is 36% meterless of a safe, hit confirmable 50/50 lol
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
MsMiharo said:
I got inspired by @AK L0rdoftheFLY to dig into the combo science behind Kano's different combo options.

DISCLAIMER: I'm too bad at math and too tired to be bothered to develop this fully BUT this should give you an idea of which combos you should be using. I wrote out the EXACT damage for the f212 combos but then I realised it's SO MUCH WORK so this is more to give you an idea of how different combos scale.

These are all done from the corner towards midscreen as to not get extra damage from double hits from Kano ball (which will occur in the corner).


F212 with NO BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 2.30, 1.46, 4.85, 1.18, 1.12, 3.72, 4.04
Total damage: 29.89%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 1.11, 1.05, 3.50, 3.80
Total damage: 29,62%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 2.77, 1.58, 2.50, 1.20, 3.04
Total damage: 31,25%


Analysis: The last combo is without a doubt the best one BUT it's without a doubt the hardest. Between using double f212 or 2 slice it's really a toss up, but 2 slice will build more bar AND not cost you any stamina.


F212 with BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 2.88, 1.82, 6.06, 1.47, 1.4, 4.65, 5.05
Total damage: 37,36%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 1.38, 1.32, 4.37, 4.75
Total damage: 37,02%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 3.46, 3.12, 1.97, 1.50, 3.80
Total damage: 39,05%


Analysis: Same as above.

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112 EX Slice without BUFF

Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 38%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 37%



112 EX Slice with BUFF


Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 48%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 46%


Analysis: Use 2 slice after EX slice. Builds more meter, costs no stamina and does more damage. It's easy AF too.
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112 EX BUFF

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 44%


Analysis: Again b121 combo is harder but more rewarding.

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112 EX BUFF (2 bars)

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 50%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF 112 EX SLICE 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 52%


Analysis: If you know that you have 2 bars (and they don't have breaker) the 112 EX buff into 112 EX SLICE is the way to go, but many times you want a second to think about spending the next bar. If that's not the case double f212 OR 2 slice into 112 is the way to go. Interestingly enough the combo that does the least damage is b121 after slice (which is also the hardest).


@Jupe
@ando1184
@bdizzle2700
@countrypistol
@Derptile
@FlappyDaniel
@MrInsaynne
@SaltShaker
@The Hex Man
@Youphemism
@ETC AdmiralAugustus
@Phosferrax
@Scott The Scot
@AK L0rdoftheFLY
@jokey77
@Osagri
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This is glorious. Easy to read and understand. Now we need one specifically for corner combos
 
Derptile

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
I still don't get why people still do double F212 combos, habits I guess but the 2 slice is just so much more consistent IMO and it builds more meter.
 
TakeAChance

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Only thing I hate about 2~slice is the extreme dissapointment when you try to do it online and either the 2 doesn't come out (too early) or they don't drop behind your head (too late)
 
KombatJames

KombatJames

For the lin kuei!
MsMiharo said:
I got inspired by @AK L0rdoftheFLY to dig into the combo science behind Kano's different combo options.

DISCLAIMER: I'm too bad at math and too tired to be bothered to develop this fully BUT this should give you an idea of which combos you should be using. I wrote out the EXACT damage for the f212 combos but then I realised it's SO MUCH WORK so this is more to give you an idea of how different combos scale.

These are all done from the corner towards midscreen as to not get extra damage from double hits from Kano ball (which will occur in the corner).


F212 with NO BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 2.30, 1.46, 4.85, 1.18, 1.12, 3.72, 4.04
Total damage: 29.89%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 1.11, 1.05, 3.50, 3.80
Total damage: 29,62%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3, 1.90, 6.32, 3.84, 5.10, 2.77, 1.58, 2.50, 1.20, 3.04
Total damage: 31,25%


Analysis: The last combo is without a doubt the best one BUT it's without a doubt the hardest. Between using double f212 or 2 slice it's really a toss up, but 2 slice will build more bar AND not cost you any stamina.


F212 with BUFF

Combo: f212 f212 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 2.88, 1.82, 6.06, 1.47, 1.4, 4.65, 5.05
Total damage: 37,36%


Combo: f212 2 db1 112 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 1.38, 1.32, 4.37, 4.75
Total damage: 37,02%


Combo: f212 2 db1 b121 ball
Damage breakdown: 3.75, 2.38, 7.9, 4.79, 6.38, 3.46, 3.12, 1.97, 1.50, 3.80
Total damage: 39,05%


Analysis: Same as above.

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112 EX Slice without BUFF

Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 38%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 37%



112 EX Slice with BUFF


Combo: 112 EX slice 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 48%


Combo: 112 EX slice f212 112 ball
Total damage: 46%


Analysis: Use 2 slice after EX slice. Builds more meter, costs no stamina and does more damage. It's easy AF too.
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112 EX BUFF

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 ball
Total damage: 42%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 44%


Analysis: Again b121 combo is harder but more rewarding.

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112 EX BUFF (2 bars)

Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 f212 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice 112 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 51%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF f212 2 slice b121 EX SLICE b12 ball
Total damage: 50%


Combo: 112 EX BUFF 112 EX SLICE 2 slice b121 ball
Total damage: 52%


Analysis: If you know that you have 2 bars (and they don't have breaker) the 112 EX buff into 112 EX SLICE is the way to go, but many times you want a second to think about spending the next bar. If that's not the case double f212 OR 2 slice into 112 is the way to go. Interestingly enough the combo that does the least damage is b121 after slice (which is also the hardest).


@Jupe
@ando1184
@bdizzle2700
@countrypistol
@Derptile
@FlappyDaniel
@MrInsaynne
@SaltShaker
@The Hex Man
@Youphemism
@ETC AdmiralAugustus
@Phosferrax
@Scott The Scot
@AK L0rdoftheFLY
@jokey77
@Osagri
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Amazing stuff bro. Thank you
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
TakeAChance said:
Only thing I hate about 2~slice is the extreme dissapointment when you try to do it online and either the 2 doesn't come out (too early) or they don't drop behind your head (too late)
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I aim for the butt and hardly miss it. It works for me. call me an ass man.
 
T

The Hex Man

Noob
You can get 1 to 2 more percent if you neutral jump punch rc 2xbladeslice into b121xball after any f212 and ex bladeslice depending on the starter you use and it's a little bit harder but not by much
 
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