This one is insane. Her ex version is safe on block. Maybe make it so the ex version has the same frame data on regular and flawless block?
Did you want it to have a faster startup? Or just have more active frames? Can I ask how this change would help her? As in, what is the desired outcome of this change; to make her combos more consistent? allow easier punishes? Help with anti-airs? What is the purpose of this?
I feel like a plus on block, full screen, launching projectile should not be mid. While it would be super helpful to prevent people poking through gaps in strings, I feel this would be incredibly good.
Agreed, this is frustrating. Would also add to increase cancel advantage of 124, so that if the 1 is blocked/whiffs but the 24 hits, ex bf1 will still hit.
Doesnt it already? Or do you mean like restands? Or like Ashrah’s 21? This would stuff up some of her more interesting combo routes.
Sure, her fatal blow can be annoying to combo into.
As in besides b34?
Hahahahaha.
fuckin lol
this would be straight bonkers. NRS please
I really want this move to be good because it feels sick to land a good low one but I'm struggling to find any applications where grounded bf1 isn't just better. I generally don't pop lanterns because I just want them on the screen all the time and the recovery of iafb is just so long along with it being kinda annoying to execute well (pad player problems) and pretty punishing if you mess it up makes me wanna say it's not worth it. It can dodge random stuff like low fireballs or KL low hat but you don't really gain anything for taking a moderate risk. You can alter your jump arc I guess? But that's pretty bad at most ranges and air db4 already does that better anyway. I think I got a okie doke headshot to close a round exactly once and that's the best thing it's ever done. Idk in practice it just feels so bad when grounded bf1 is just so good. Maybe I just need to practice my execution and it'll make the move cheap.
I don't think it's insane at all tbh. I think this move absolutely needs to be safe on block and I'm honestly baffled why it's not already. As for for her EX version, sure why not. Characters in this game have actually insane moves. What does Li Mei have? +frames? kameo Scorpion? PLZ
There is hardly an execution barrier for this move for anyone who plays these games, and that has nothing to do with balance anyway. Who else even has an 11f overhead covering that much space (and with two hits!)?? The rest are all high 20s frames. Li Mei has solid zoning, great damage, great damage off an armored move that zooms across half the screen, plus frames, staggers for strike/throw.. She doesn't need safe 50/50s as well. If this move was safe you would literally just back up and do it again until they chipped to death, I can't think of another move with that much range for that speed, besides death on block type charges. Li Mei is a space control character. You shut down the air with 1 move and any time the opponent moves is a risk because you could charge them for 400+ at any time. You get to get off your other safe moves because they respect your options, the fact that you can back up and charge any whiff in neutral, and when they don't you blow them up and teach them a lesson. Everything is not supposed to be safe for free, but if you really want to make it safe you can use a kameo for that... One single character is not supposed to have everything.
I stopped reading after that. You are entitled to your opinion though.
In the world of MK, this is relatively high execution. Also, execution complexity is most definitely an integral part of balance.
I adressed the move further but you stopped reading..
Her armoured move only launches in the corner with scorpion, and the damage is not the same as say Kung Lao.
I think it’s a combination of it’s range, speed, and overall utility.
Yeah, it's a punishing move. And it can be a really great punishing move if it was safe on block by the majority of the cast, maybe -7. When you play with a competent player, this move is garbage. There's no way you'll just throw that out and you're not getting 40-50% full comboed. It's -12 at best on block with no pushback.
If you're using a move as a true punish it won't be able to be blocked because the opponent is still in recovery frames. You are probably missing opportunities for stagger pressure / throws and/or full combo punishes from her 1, 2, or 4 starters, if you are throwing out air db4 as a response to blockstrings and it is being blocked. This may be what's causing you to think Li Mei needs help, you're essentially missing out on 30%+ combo opportunities for a 10% OH which is being blown up half the time. You need to learn what your opponents moves are on block to have the appropriate punish or response planned. I think db4 is better used as a neutral tool to encourage the opponent not to hold down block all game, subsequently increasing the chance your F4 starter hits. And also as a great move for the range/speed in general.
True, didn't realize only the non ex version launched midscreen. Thanks for correcting me
What causing me to think Li Mei deserves buffs (like many others in the game) is the fact characters like Raiden, JC and Kenshi exist in the game.
Im not against it but she doesn't exactly feel among the weakest characters in the game either. Balance should always have discussion for both sides, to keep it.. balanced. Air db4 safe on block seems like a bit crazy of a buff imo, and its a pretty big buff list in general for 'she needs it'. I would agree with fixing any whiffing consistency issues on 12 though, I don't play her myself so I didn't know about that.
Fair enough. We should be open to criticism, I agree.
when it comes to character freedom.
I miss that approach to mix-ups. That U3 is really perfectly designed imo
Oh right! I actually forgot you could link a teleport after the overhead if you committed to it. It's been a while
But yeah, I totally agree with you. The super reactable overheads with huge reward in MK1 is probably my least favorite mechanic. It's not a bad design since it's fair but it's not great either.How does the move work and how would it apply to Li Mei?
Yeah, I don't see her being touched in a patch. But, I do expect something kool for her when the inevitable expansion releases.
It was a standard special that hit mid and was like -1/-2 on block. On hit it put you at like +15, and if it hit you while you were airborne, it knocked away. It could be cancelled out of (with dash/run) which left her plus (when run cancelled). Could also be held which kinda “charged” it up before it released. If held it for like 1 second it was +12 on block and for 2 seconds would release and be +24 with quite a bit of pushback. Also gave her some interesting combo routes. The ex-version had two hits which jailed, could not be cancelled and was like +3 on block with quite a bit of chip.
That sounds so interesting though and it fits the character. Considering both Rain and Reptile both got cancel moves, there's a chance NRS is looking into expanding this mechanic to more characters, and personally I'm all for it.
Yeah, but it’d be pretty broke haha
The way you described the ex version, yeah it sounds it would be broken in MK1. But I could see the regular being fine. No? Besides, not every move needs an ex version.
Aside from that specific cancel, she does feel similar in strings and special cancels to High Tech Jacqui. Whom was one of my favorite characters (and you one of my favorite players) up until one of the final patches more or less killed her off. So much fun to play with. I think the reason I keep the audio cues on for the hit type is because I miss the 'tink tink tink' from high tech Jacqui.
I still chuck on MKX and give her a run whenever I can haha.