Question Buffed Again?

[JaredL]

Atlas Torpedo: I'm pretty sure it used to be -12 on block. Now its -6

Also was his D1 that good? +2 its great.

 

[Drizzle]

Don't believe the in-game frame data. I can punish torpedo with GL's 223 just fine, and it is most definitely not 6 frames. There is far too much information going around, and NRS isn't helping by keeping the patch notes under wraps.

 

[Crazykitana]

Don't believe the in-game frame data. I can punish torpedo with GL's 223 just fine, and it is most definitely not 6 frames. There is far too much information going around, and NRS isn't helping by keeping the patch notes under wraps.

youre wrong its saf e vs most the cast now ive tested it - 6 with push back if you dont have a far reaching standing 1 you cant punish it

 

[stealthychainsawninja]

Don't know if any of it is true, but comparing the wiki data to the move list's data,
f3 on block 6 > 7
d1 on hit 10 > 13
d1 on block 1 > 2
12 on block -2 > -3
12b3 on block -1 > 1
12f3 on block -3 > -2
bf2 on block -12 > -6
db2 on block -10 > -8
db2 MB on block 2 > 5

There was also a general decrease in knockdown advantage on the move list, but it's obviously due to some sort of recalculation or algorithm change and not an actual gameplay change.

 

[ZigZag]

Let's hope he's got some buffs again ^_^

 

[Rathalos]

Really? Its -6 now?

That's... a terrible idea.

 

[JaredL]

Really? Its -6 now?

That's... a terrible idea.

What makes you say that?

 

[GodsLonelyman]

so can anyone confirm, is it safe now? I overheard it now has some pushback and it's -6, is that accurate?

 

[Rathalos]

What makes you say that?

I don't think it really helps him that much in the grand scheme of things, it's just going to make him kind of obnoxious to fight with some characters.

 

[JaredL]

so can anyone confirm, is it safe now? I overheard it now has some pushback and it's -6, is that accurate?

Pushback would make it less safe.

 

[GodsLonelyman]

Pushback would make it less safe.

Im gonna quote what someone said on another subforum. I dont play shazam so i have no idea what he means. Can you explain it to me please?

huh, its now - 6 it s totally safe because it now has push back so no d1 or standing 1 will punish it

 

[haketh]

Yeah, I wanted to see Shazam get some buffs but that's pretty dumb.

 

[MagicMan357]

theyre so slow in the head all he needed was better mids, faster startup on AT and trait cancel like supes

 

[Vulcan Hades]

Im gonna quote what someone said on another subforum. I dont play shazam so i have no idea what he means. Can you explain it to me please?

Because Torpedo crosses over on block lol. So "more pushback" would put them closer to Shazam.

 

[JaredL]

Im gonna quote what someone said on another subforum. I dont play shazam so i have no idea what he means. Can you explain it to me please?

If it pushes back, then surely it would bring him closer to Shazam? Unless its reverse pushback.

 

[Drizzle]

Again, this is wrong. I can punish torpedo with moves that are slower than 6 frames and I've been able to do the same using Deathstroke's (allegedly) 8 frame stand jab. So either GL's 223 and Deathstroke's standing 1 are 6 frames (lol no), or this is more bad information.

 

[pogse]

it is -6.. on point blank range

 

[SmokeMaster]

From what I can tell AT is now alot easier to punish on block. Depending on how close you activate it the opponent gets less pushback. Is it me or did they lessen the startup frames on Bolts?

 

[stealthychainsawninja]

It's not -6 on block at any range as far as I can tell. Luthor's 8-frame jab can punish it point-blank or at max range. It does feel safer though.

 

[SmokeMaster]

Doomsday's 10 frame jab can punish it close to point blank range

 

[pogse]

it is -6.. on point blank range

yeah I'm wrong, just tested it again.

 

[stealthychainsawninja]

It seems I can punish with 11-frame normals and not 12-frame normals at any range, testing with a few of them. Same as pre-patch, it appears.

 

[JaredL]

Seems it was a tweaking of the numbers as they appear in the frame data, not any actual change.