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NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Its funny, almost everyone I know that watches the show absolutely hates Skyler, whilst seemingly ignoring everything Walt has done. Strange world.

I forget the context but remember the scene where Walt finally stands up to her and says something along the lines of 'It would be nice if you would just get off my arse for once I'd really appreciate it'. He also stated that when he didn't want cancer treatment it was the first decision he felt like he'd made in a long time. His venture into the drug world was partly about regaining control as well as respect.
Without Skylar.... non of this happens.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
Its funny, almost everyone I know that watches the show absolutely hates Skyler, whilst seemingly ignoring everything Walt has done. Strange world.

I forget the context but remember the scene where Walt finely stands up to her and says something along the lines of 'It would be nice if you would just get off my arse for once I'd really appreciate it'. He also stated that when he didn't want cancer treatment it was the first decision he felt like he'd made in a long time. His venture into the drug world was partly about regaining control as well as respect.
And those people are a joke and have no clue about the show. Vince Gilligan has that interview where he says he cant stand that people hate skylar and then he called them misogynasts it makes him genuinely angry. So you hate skylar cause she wanted her husband to not die from cancer?
 

LionHeart V1

You will feel deaths cold embrace
The show is called breaking bad for a reason. Do people not understand that? There would be no show if Walt accepted what he calls "charity" from Gretchen and her husband because the story would be over.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Without skylar walt probably commits suicide before the show even begins.
to be fair... I think she's probably one of the more interesting characters.
I just hate that she took Walt's manhood before we started "watching" ....

I mean I can't even hate her for having that affair.

But you kinda put words in my man ben's mouth. He was simply pointing out facts.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
to be fair... I think she's probably one of the more interesting characters.
I just hate that she took Walt's manhood before we started "watching" ....

I mean I can't even hate her for having that affair.

But you kinda put words in my man ben's mouth. He was simply pointing out facts.
How did she take away Walts manhood before we started watching?
 

Peckapowa

Champion
Its funny, almost everyone I know that watches the show absolutely hates Skyler, whilst seemingly ignoring everything Walt has done. Strange world.

I forget the context but remember the scene where Walt finally stands up to her and says something along the lines of 'It would be nice if you would just get off my arse for once I'd really appreciate it'. He also stated that when he didn't want cancer treatment it was the first decision he felt like he'd made in a long time. His venture into the drug world was partly about regaining control as well as respect.

people don't realize what an insane position skyler is put in.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
The show is called breaking bad for a reason. Do people not understand that? There would be no show if Walt accepted what he calls "charity" from Gretchen and her husband because the story would be over.
Nobodies disputing that, but to me it doesnt make for a very likeable main character.
 

LionHeart V1

You will feel deaths cold embrace
Walt still hasn't murdered one innocent person on this show. Why should I feel for any of the people that have died when they are all bad? Mike while I loved the character was going to kill both Jesse and Walt at one point earlier in the show without hesitation and the guy worked for Gus Fring. Todd killed the boy on the bike. Jesse killed Gale. Walt ordered the deaths of the people in the jail who all worked for Mike and Gus.

Still waiting for Walt to truly become the Devil because i'm not at the point where i'm rooting against him. The only way that would change for me if he killed a member of his family.

He let jane die. Don't agree with him doing that at all, and i was pissed when that happened. But he didn't kill her either. In that moment that happened you could see in his reaction what he realized he just did.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
people don't realize what an insane position skyler is put in.
Thats cause many people who watch this show are pretty braindead. And simply watch it to see what shenanigans Walt will get into next. Anyone who is a obstacle for Walt to get into said shenanigans is hated by these simpletons. Basically they want the movie crank non stop adrenaline with little to no storytelling.
 

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
You literally just said skylar never loved walt. Stop backpedaling.
Since we have been "watching" she hasn't.
she clearly is fed up with him.
To each his own on this one. Just because she is torn up about her husband having cancer doesn't mean she still loves him. Just means she is a human being.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
Walt still hasn't murdered one innocent person on this show. Why should I feel for any of the people that have died when they are all bad? Mike while I loved the character was going to kill both Jesse and Walt at one point earlier in the show without hesitation and the guy worked for Gus Fring. Todd killed the boy on the bike. Jesse killed Gale. Walt ordered the deaths of the people in the jail who all worked for Mike and Gus.

Still waiting for Walt to truly become the Devil because i'm not at the point where i'm rooting against him. The only way that would change for me if he killed a member of his family.

He let jane die. Don't agree with him doing that at all, and i was pissed when that happened. But he didn't kill her either. In that moment that happened you could see in his reaction what he realized he just did.
Walt is the reason Gayle is dead. Walt couldve stopped hundreds of innocents from dying if he didnt let jane die cause he was butthurt. He was the reason hank had the assassins nearly murder him and it looks like hanks about to die this next episode which is again walts fault.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
Since we have been "watching" she hasn't.
she clearly is fed up with him.
To each his own on this one. Just because she is torn up about her husband having cancer doesn't mean she still loves him. Just means she is a human being.
If she doesnt love him then explain why she was devastated when she found out he had cancer and even more devastated he kept it from her. Why would you be devastated for someone you dont care about getting cancer?
 

Wemfs

The only morality in a cruel world is chance.
Walter let Jane die because she threatened to blackmail him and she knew too much about what Walter had done. He was simply tying up loose ends. It wasn't because he was butt hurt. And what better way to dispose of her than by her own doing.
 

LionHeart V1

You will feel deaths cold embrace
Walt is the reason Gayle is dead. Walt couldve stopped hundreds of innocents from dying if he didnt let jane die cause he was butthurt. He was the reason hank had the assassins nearly murder him and it looks like hanks about to die this next episode which is again walts fault.
If you are going to say Walt is the reason that Gayle is dead, then i'm going to say Jesse is the reason he's dead. Because Jesse was the one that screwed it up for both parties when he went out to kill the gangbangers and Walt rescued the day. Gus was going to kill both Jesse and Walt because and Gayle was going to replace him after that so he had too. And Gayle got involved with the meth business just like walt and jesse so his innocence is throw out the window as well (though i don't think he was bad at all) but he became a player and you have to play the game. I've also already touched on both this and Jane's death and her father in an earlier post that maybe you should go back and read if you are going to blame the plane crash on walt.

The assasins were originally after walt and it wasn't until gus redirected them towards hank that he became in danger. But either way you are right about that, Hanks life wouldn't have been in danger if it wasn't for him. And there's a good chance he could die this weekend because of the phone call to the aryans. Hank doesn't deserve to die because of walt but hey Walt has to pay a price and maybe all of his actions and choices finally unravel on him and he loses members of his family because of it.
 

BenGmanUk

Get staffed bro
I feel like Hanks call to Marie was a little too obvious to setup Hanks death. I can't see it, though I can't see a way out for him either.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
If you are going to say Walt is the reason that Gayle is dead, then i'm going to say Jesse is the reason he's dead. Because Jesse was the one that screwed it up for both parties when he went out to kill the gangbangers and Walt rescued the day. Gus was going to kill both Jesse and Walt because and Gayle was going to replace him after that so he had too. And Gayle got involved with the meth business just like walt and jesse so his innocence is throw out the window as well (though i don't think he was bad at all) but he became a player and you have to play the game. I've also already touched on both this and Jane's death and her father in an earlier post that maybe you should go back and read if you are going to blame the plane crash on walt.

The assasins were originally after walt and it wasn't until gus redirected them towards hank that he became in danger. But either way you are right about that, Hanks life wouldn't have been in danger if it wasn't for him. And there's a good chance he could die this weekend because of the phone call to the aryans. Hank doesn't deserve to die because of walt but hey Walt has to pay a price and maybe all of his actions and choices finally unravel on him and he loses members of his family because of it.
I can only hope Walt loses the things he cares about, its the ending this show needs. But again read around the internet everyone wants this badass scarface send off, which would be a joke.
 

LionHeart V1

You will feel deaths cold embrace
I can only hope Walt loses the things he cares about, its the ending this show needs. But again read around the internet everyone wants this badass scarface send off, which would be a joke.
Yea I agree with you that would be a joke and would upset me. I don't know how i want the show to end because I don't know exactly what i want to be satisfied with. There is no happy ending for any of these characters.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
One thing. I don't understand how anyone can say this show has bad writing or character development. It's your opinion and all that's fine but I'm just baffled by it.
I dont see how anyone can say this is one of the greatest shows ever, it baffles me. Marie is the exact same character shes always been so is walt jr so is gomez so is saul. Gus's character development was literally done in 5 minutes with that flashback to mexico. The twins character development done the same way.
 

LionHeart V1

You will feel deaths cold embrace
I dont see how anyone can say this is one of the greatest shows ever, it baffles me. Marie is the exact same character shes always been so is walt jr so is gomez so is saul. Gus's character development was literally done in 5 minutes with that flashback to mexico. The twins character development done the same way.
Lol the show doesn't revolve around them. There are dynamic characters and Static characters. You can't devote to these characters when they have no storylines to go on. They are there to play off the main ones. The twins (assassins) i mean do we really need to see what they are all about when they are only supposed to used for 3 or 4 episodes. We got little expostition on them to see who they are and that's all we needed because they aren't even going to be in the storyline that long. Same thing with Gus we got a piece of his backstory we understand the man he became.

Walt, Jesse, Hank, Skylar have had great character development. Saul, walt jr, marie these are static characters they really aren't meant to change because they are who they are.

And I don't man, this show is critically acclaimed on all levels. Acting, writing, directing, multiple awards. I don't know how you can dispute that.
 

jaym7018

Warrior
Lol the show doesn't revolve around them. There are dynamic characters and Static characters. You can't devote to these characters when they have no storylines to go on. They are there to play off the main ones. The twins (assassins) i mean do we really need to see what they are all about when they are only supposed to used for 3 or 4 episodes. We got little expostition on them to see who they are and that's all we needed because they aren't even going to be in the storyline that long. Same thing with Gus we got a piece of his backstory we understand the man he became.

Walt, Jesse, Hank, Skylar have had great character development. Saul, walt jr, marie these are static characters they really aren't meant to change because they are who they are.

And I don't man, this show is critically acclaimed on all levels. Acting, writing, directing, multiple awards. I don't know how you can dispute that.
Critical acclaim and awards have never and will never mean a thing to me. Plenty of movies and shows i find a terrible are acclaimed i bet thats true for a lot of people. Look at a show like the wire or shield or sons of anarchy there is tons of development with characters who arent the focal point.