But she also has a lack of a good reliable wakeup, which is why you said Ares was useless.No I think Raven is really good.
But she also has a lack of a good reliable wakeup, which is why you said Ares was useless.
Just pointing out that just because a character has bad wakeups does not make them useless.
I also feel you are biased as a Flash player because his oki game is sick as hell.
I wasnt defending the char., just wanted to clarify that point you made.Dude his footsie game is terrible, his wakeups are worthless, his trait needs to be reworked, his zoning isn't even good. Honestly explain to me why you think this character is good? I can't even understand why you're defending this character.
Raven has amazing zoning, her trait is fucking great and makes everything she does safe basically, she has decent mixups, good footsies, and good damage. She's basically Ares if he wasn't a fat turd.
HawkGirl.
AHAHAHAHA!! Oh God yes listen to him and make this character become bullshit lol.man gtfo here!
Don't listen to him boon!!!
He aint a candidate for shit bro. He's just not easy mode, but I swear that character can ruin some folks in this game. You play him patient. You play him punish style. You play him in your face. You do NOT play poke normals with him...dude is venom, armor, and wakeup suffocation. Once he is in you can't get him off and his wakeups are some of the BEST in the game and hard to read because he has 3 viable ones that all work differently and need different reactions to deal with.I believe you; because I think every character is good. But he's asking who the worst one out of all these good characters is. Bane's a candidate for that.
Damn it, you beat me to it... Hah Supes then!Kabal
Where did I say anything about buffing Raven?Blindman came in like 9th place with Raven at EVO. Definitely Top16 with her out of 650 entrants. Lobo, Shazam, Joker, Lex, these are characters we can talk about. Raven is NOT the character most in need of help.
He'd go to God tier if buffed even a little in the wrong area. If any of the wrong strings got frame buffs to startup , recovery on block or priority it could be devastating for folks with his armor and ability to stay in and reset so efficiently. Probably has the easiest splat stand reset to time in the game.I don't think Bane could be considered for this, but he needs a bit of help. The biggest problem is that few people play him so few people understand the matchup. Bane plays by a completely different set of rules than the rest of the cast. Nothing you do against other characters applies when you fight Bane. Once people figure that out, he might be hurting a bit more.
A few of his moves could use tweaking. That's about all you'd get the character council on board to change. There is debate about other things, but it is quite possible Bane would go to god tier if buffed too much.
I'm sure people are going to disagree with me, but Ares loses to Superman, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, Nightwing, Grundy, Batgirl, Scorpion, MMH, Batman, GL, Deathstroke, Aquaman, Joker, Killer Frost, and Flash.ohhhh ive never seen his MU's how many bad ones does he have?
while its a shame zatanna doesnt have a good close up game, just getting her possession fixed in the next patch will be a huge help.. they could buff the speed on some of her normals but otherwise i dont find her to be that bad.. i wasnt expecting s tier out of her anywaysI would have to say bane, Harley, joker, hawkgirl, lobo, Shazam, and at the moment Zatanna.
When you frame it that way I think there's a really strong argument for Ares, although I agree about Shazaam tooIt is interesting if this discussion is framed not just as who could use buffs, but who needs to be really dramatically retooled: what one character should NRS go back to the drawing board with and significantly revamp? If that is the case, I think it might be Shazam. Here's why:
The Lobo community has reached a pretty solid consensus on a handful of buffs to fix him. Make this easier to link, fix the whiff on this, give faster armor on this, mostly minor things except the trait. The trait bites b/c you get one nuclear shell that adds 4% to the damage. Wow. Yet, the suggestion is to give the shell armor-breaking properties (to deal with Grundy and some other awful MUs) and maybe let Lobo stack a couple shells. 5-6 changes, most minor, and the Lobo players are satisfied.
Half the Bane players say Bane doesn't help. Ok.
I'm not as up on them, but the Lex and Joker communities also seem to have some decent consensus on some minor tweaks, although Joker's trait seems to still be an issue. Joker would probably be the runner-up, although it seems like a few tweaks could go a long way.
Not AT ALL putting the Shazam community on blast, but there seems to be a lot less consensus on how to make him work. Close to no consensus compared to others like Lobo. That just tells me there are some fundamental problems if everyone has different answers as to what he needs. Shazam is supposed to be awesome. The idea for Shazam was literally someone thinking to make a character as powerful as Superman whose alter ego was a young boy. Shazam isn't as good as Superman in IGAU, not nearly. He isn't even nearly as good as his counterpart, Black Adam.
And he's the only good guy who is poop-tier, except for our 'hero' Scorpion, lol.
What you think I'm kidding? She has legit fixes that are needed...which can be found in the post I made in the HawkGirl forums that was directed right at NRS.AHAHAHAHA!! Oh God yes listen to him and make this character become bullshit lol.
Lets give her a 6 frame startup on mace toss*trollface*
In all seriousness though who needs the MOST help? Likely Shazam.
However who could use buffs is a MUCH larger lists. I think the whole cast needs mobility buffs to walk speeds for starters, and I'd like to see several strings across the roster improved to give folks better combo options and more starter options to combos period.
Buffs over nerfs here, but if we're picking and choosing roster to polish...Shazam.
He aint a candidate for shit bro. He's just not easy mode, but I swear that character can ruin some folks in this game. You play him patient. You play him punish style. You play him in your face. You do NOT play poke normals with him...dude is venom, armor, and wakeup suffocation. Once he is in you can't get him off and his wakeups are some of the BEST in the game and hard to read because he has 3 viable ones that all work differently and need different reactions to deal with.
One decent punish from Bane and he can likely take your life bar in the next moment's wakeup mixup or put you near enough to death to turn your "blowup" into a choke.
Watch some footage of Mustard's Bane and chat with Doombawks...you'll discover that he is a scary thing in a match you cannot take lightly. He honestly is his own thing...no one functions like he does in their strategy in the entire game.