Match up chart updated with the remaining turtles.
May I ask if someone could provide an overview of BB’s float cancel options? Or if someone could direct me to the appropriate thread? Just want to know my options since both of my mains (Atom and BA) are very weak when put in the corner. Many thanks
The best thing you can do is delay wake up because jump 2, jump 3, whether you float again, whether you dash forward etc can impact the float mix ups, especially in the corner so your most reliable defense is simply to delay wake up especially in the corner. Another good defense that I use against Blue Beetle is to dash under him as it gets me away from the mix up AND out of the corner.
Looking back on it, I wouldn't be surprised if it's 4-6 for Atom personally. Beetle shuts basically all of Atom's fullscreen tools down and has lots of tools himself which Atom can't deal with like air mobility and long reaching strings. Shield bash is really good against Atom since he can't really enforce anything after he blocks it and low profiling only gets you so far, especially for a move that either requires trait or does like 80 damage in the case of D3.
This is how you should probably play the Atom MU, just be wily as fuck and force Atom to make some hard reads. Get the life lead and keep it because Atom struggles to get it back is the only other thing I'd add to this.
It's the low profiling of important normals/specials, his ability to counter zone and what not that keeps it from there at the moment to me.
I have made his teleport whiff while airborne, but I'm not super sure how reliably consistent that is.
When I get the opportunity to play it more, I could see it becoming 6-4 Beetle's favor, but I'm not sold yet. The thing about Beetle in general, is if you play low risk and just chip away at Atom and characters like them, their options for getting you off your life become hard and if Beetle keeps that aforementioned space you have to take risks to beat him out and when you're wrong, you're eating a full combo or chip you cannot regulate on block.
What about Wowo? Like, I think she does really well against beetle. What are our options? Her space control is much easier than ours and the trades are infinitely in her favor. She can reflect bf2 on reaction, great anti-air/air-to-air. Out-damages us.
I’m not sure what’s making this 5-5 unless the wowo is really aggressive and reckless. She technically has to take 0 damage or chip from us on paper.
Sesal and I have explained this match up in discussions with you multiple times and showed you footage of how to play the match up, you have never been receptive to it and us repeating the same things isn't going to change anything.
Match ups are not played on paper, they are played in sets and the idea that she has to take zero damage from us speaks volumes. Your approach sounds so linear that there's no depth to the meta/mind games to keep her in check.
She cannot parry projectiles while simultaneously zoning or using her footsies she has to commit to one or the other which allows her to be vulnerable and have to play around us if we're smart. Beetle anti-airs her very well and is extremely safe when block pressuring her. We also have great air to airs so I don't see what your point is other than we both check each other. Parry loses to sweep and throws so you can make it an unattractive option in the neutral.
My core point is after all this time, if you're not going to listen to people who consistently do well in the match up, why ask about said match ups?
