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Best Mixup/Setplay characters?

Vhozite

Waiting on SF6
I'm going through the cast looking for a more offensive character to use alongside Jade. Who's really good at making people guess?

I tried searching for a similar thread but no luck.
 

kcd117

Noob
Sonya and Sub are pretty good at frauding people out using traditional 50/50s.

Erron and Geras can keep you guessing for days with their oki but they are more strike/throw oriented with their auto shimmies.

Liu and Jax have obnoxious staggers that make you guess all the time when to press, while also having dumbed down okizeme games allowing you to keep the pressure.
 

mastermalone

Use only logic, please
Jacqui. Canceling her mid combo string, 3, 1 into throws or anther 3, 1 makes for some good Quitality stew.
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
Sonya is arguably one of the best set oriented characters. While unsafe, she has some nasty string mixups with leg grab and can get KB on it, her staggers are great, her throw game is great, poking is great, zoning is great, damage is great. She reaps so many benefits regardless of how she switches up her playstyle. Doesnt she get actually safe 50/50 is the corner with Energy Ring cancels as well?
 
Sonya and Geras are the best at making you guess oh/low.
Cassie, Jacqui, Erron and Liu Kang have the best staggers. Erron even has some 50/50's mixed in if you're feeling lucky but can just fuck you up with staggering and staying safe off scud shot.

Setplay isn't so much of a thing in MK11 though, due to millions of wakeup options. There's some option selects to eliminate wakeup options for certain characters, but until that is further explored usually you only get good oki on people with predictable wakeup patterns.
 

LawAbidingCitizen

Bomb Setups & Ball Rolls(Mileena/Cyrax)
Every character has a mixup gameplay in one way or another: Number of Hit mix, Staggers/Throw, Shimmy setups, Auto Wiff punish moves, and some have Overhead/Low mix.

In my opinion the best characters to use close up are:

Jacqui:
Which has very strong staggers and cancels with possibly the best pressure in the game. Her only flaw is she doesn't have zoning but B22 jails so its safe and she gets in very easily and Dash punch while being duckable is unreactable.

Sonya:
Best 50/50's in the game and does very high damage. If you can do her ERDC's in the corner she does 50% off overhead and 40% + with low.
Cons: her overhead is punishable, all mixup strings are highs so low profiled. She doesn't have great mids but she is very good close up and full screen.

Sub Zero:
Has overhead and Low mixup with easy combos and high damage KB's. Very easy to use and has decent staggers. Very strong oki.

Scorpion: has possibly the best Shimmy strings and has reactable overhead/low strings because they all are on second hit and can all be fuzzy guarded. But he has amazing neutral, very good pokes, jailing pressure, Restands, and true 50/50 in Reborn from Hell Port Cancels and never runs out of bars. His teleports are all punishable if guessed right. Has the best teleport in the game and destroys zoners.

Geras, Erron, Baraka all have very good tools and are great in thier own ways:
Baraka has great neutral and us an up close God who hits very hard 40-60% with KB's. Decent zoning with flag buff. Just doesn't have true 50/50's but has staggers, plus on block pressure, shimmy and number of hit guess.

Erron black :
Is very good at everything, a million mids, 50/50 off mids and his new PutEmUp string. They are Fuzzyable but not many know how to guard it. Everything is safe but slide.. Great zoning and the best anti zoner except Scorpion. Godlike Fatal Blow and very good Krushing blow. 30% meterless combos and Auto Shimmy.

Geras:
has mix for days and a billion KB's and possibly the best JIP2 in the game, devastating up close pressure and one if the best pokes in the game and his U2 is godlike just like his Fatal Blow.

Jax Hunker down :
True 50/50's but they can be flawless blocked but you can stagger them to make them guess and catch them trying to Flawless block. When heated he has great zoning and KB's. One of the best up close brawlers in the game and good gap closers to get in. Slower projectiles but effective. Best Fatal Blow in the game and his gives him full heat, KB's and more chip/DMG which is a clutch mechanic. Numerous plus on block moves and a 9f mid that staggers into guess between throw, F33(mids), F331+3(mid mid overhead.

Cassie Cage:
Has true 50/50s but her low is very slow and one is very punishable but can be used for oki. Great staggers from F4/B24 and has built in number of hit guess with B24/11 being an auto shimmy. Her F4 is a 9f mid which is zero on block. Great anti airs with DB1amp and B3. Has tools for everything anywhere on screen. Great KB's. Doesn't really have cons other than fatal blow could be better and she doesn't have the best pokes but she really doesn't need em. S Tier for sure. I like Yaas Queen because she has shoulder to punish projectiles on block and amazing frame traps with every combo being +10 on Restands. Her Digital Soldier is her best Variety because she gas bigger combos midscreen and low gunshot which is amazing for zoning and counter zoning.

Take your pick really because every character has Make em guess, some are more honest than others but all are very good at mind games. But I think those are the best for what you asked.
 

skahwt

Noob
The most underrated set-play character is Baraka. While he may not have the same level of dirt as Sonya or Geras, he has great staggers and zoning, and when he gets a hit he gets huuuuge damage.
 
I’m surprised Kabal hasn’t been mentioned yet. Both kompetitive variations deal with making your opponent guess constantly.

Kabal has some of the best mids in the game with b12 and f22, both can be made into 50/50’s using the Clean Cut variation with Low Hook Grab. Clean Cut also gives you Extended Hook which is a reset. Kabal has a 7f d1. Both of his 50/50s lead to a KB in Low Hook Grab and f224. Downward Air Buzzsaw shuts down/contest lots of zoning options against a considerable amount of the Kast.

Mean Streak gives you the ability to cancel Nomad Dash. Canceling Nomad Dash on block into d1, throw, f22 or walk back whiff punish with b12d2/db4 KB. Walk back is an incredible tool post cancel with Kabal, just like with Reborn Scorpion. He’s also one of the safest characters in the game with no gaps in his strings(according to the TYM gap thread).

His Fatal Blow is one of the best in the game as well. Doesn’t make them guess per say but pretty much shuts down neutral for your opponent once you hit 30%.

Maybe I’m overplaying Kabal? I think he’s solid and both variations are similar but different enough. He’s fun to play as well.