Tamanapants wrote about it on these very forums ages ago. I almost always use it, unless I really want that wall-carry. It's actually a bit more dmg than the regular BnBs, when you consider the chip you get afterwards (I always start up 2,1 pressure/mixups). It's a good way to end rounds, too, because you'll often kill them with chip instead of dmg, and so you gain yourself some meter while depriving them of theirs.
Yeah I had a face palm moment there too, I was messing around with back 121 stuff a month or two ago and I completely wrote it off because doing slide or EX Ice Ball after it was blockable.
i think its a very useful tool.. you dont just go in with the slide or a freeze right after.. f4, slide is pretty useful as they first have to block high and low and if it hits will add about 16% damage and if they try to jump away they get hit by both.. obviously you dont keep repeating but a useful tool to have in your arsenal
I think I use it maybe once a match JUST to throw someone off guard. Usually when I feel like cancelling the b2 reset I go to this because most people just stay blocking high... and you can end in a sweep.
You are looking at this so one-dimensionally it hurts.
Of course you can start using 22 and mixing it up with throws. I know Sub-Zero's options. What I said was that somebody with any kind of knowledge of the game will not press buttons to ever get hit by 22. The throw option is fine but can still be teched and if they fuzzyguard they can block both the slide and the f4, which is not good for you. You can do b121 and then 224, clone for more chip to make up for the damage you lost but you're back to the neutral game again when you could have had a knockdown. I just don't understand why you'd want to avoid knocking somebody down. Nobody's wakeup options are that strong that you can't bait them and punish the hell out of them.
well said. I know you've stated you like putting pressure with 2,1 alot. I tend to use 2,2 more for the jump over factor. I actually saw someone use the 1,3,b4 after a blocked 1,2 just to get the knockdown on the sweep. I mean honestly... who do you know uses 1,3,b4 (i think thats what it was).
I appreciate people can play differently with a character. I play patiently for the most part because I like to be just outside my opponent's jump in range a lot of the time, and go fishing with d4 clone, cancelled jump ins, and 22's. I use a lot of 224, clone, until I can score a knockdown. Then I become much more aggressive. I usually become more aggressive when I have a strong meter lead rather than life lead. I generally don't worry so much about life leads. My experience is I can turn what look like bad situations around even against Kung Lao, Cage, etc, just by having meter at he right time in the game.
Options after b121:
Maybe you can keep pressure because they can't wake up... but most mistakes are made when there is a knockdown.
B121 gives sub zero frame advantage so the only thing the opponent can do is block high or low. The mix-up/ mind game potential off of it is pretty awesome and it prevents wake up attacks, theres no reason not use it IMO.
Sure there's a reason not to use it: the worst place you can possibly be in this game is on the floor.
really... i thought the fastest moves could interupt. my bad
That depends on the situation, many times this game comes down to use of wake up attacks. Im not saying you should ALWAYS use B121 but I am saying theres no reason not to atleast incorporate it into your game.
Actually, b121 would hurt my Sub-Zero because I use 214, slide for the wall carry and b2 reset when I have my opp in the corner.
