Question - Smoke Any top players picking up smoke??

[HazeXIII]

By the way why are triborgs pokes so horrible the hit advantages on his pokes are soo horrible you cant even get started i have to poke with f4 or grab so dumb but hey its all good its smoke at least he is in

 

[MrSunshine]

ME

 

[LiangHuBBB]

ME

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

@RiBBz22

 

[Dinosaur]

wat

 

[Wolverine32]

I saw Slayer tweet about playing smoke. I think his smoke would be so hype with all of his god like conversions.

 

[EGP Awesomo]

I saw Slayer tweet about playing smoke. I think his smoke would be so hype with all of his god like conversions.

Ive seen his smoke, dont believe the hype lol joking aside I dont think hes gonna stick with the character haha

 

[Wolverine32]

Ive seen his smoke, dont believe the hype lol joking aside I dont think hes gonna stick with the character haha

Aww damn. Well a guy can dream lol

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

CD JR and Perfect Legend are using smoke.

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

CD JR and Perfect Legend are using smoke.

They'll both probably drop him soon. Not broken enough lol

 

[Renzokuken]

I saw Slayer tweet about playing smoke. I think his smoke would be so hype with all of his god like conversions.

I've seen his Smoke on a Toasty Tuesday stream. He looked pretty solid with him, but still went for Jin majority of the time.

 

[REYTHEGREAT]

They'll both probably drop him soon. Not broken enough lol

true. I did see CDJR practicing some cyber sub, hmmmmm

 

[EGP Awesomo]

I've seen his Smoke on a Toasty Tuesday stream. He looked pretty solid with him, but still went for Jin majority of the time.

Yeah I was playing with him and teaching him some stuff offstream, I dont think smoke is broke enough for him, known the kid for years. He will always play whats broke, if it isnt broke its gonna only be for casuals. That being said hes probably gonna end up with a cyber sub

 

[Renzokuken]

Yeah I was playing with him and teaching him some stuff offstream, I dont think smoke is broke enough for him, known the kid for years. He will always play whats broke, if it isnt broke its gonna only be for casuals. That being said hes probably gonna end up with a cyber sub

He plays Shaolin at high level play though and there's nothing broken about his character lol.

 

[EGP Awesomo]

He plays Shaolin at high level play though and there's nothing broken about his character lol.

Shaolin is HELLA good, hes probably one of the best characters in the game. Low Risk High Reward

 

[Pan1cMode]

He plays Shaolin at high level play though and there's nothing broken about his character lol.

Shaolin has every tool a character could need to compete at a high level.

Smoke lacks a good wakeup and his safe damage is ehhh.

 

[Poser Paul]

CD JR and Perfect Legend are using smoke.

He said "top"

 

[Wigy]

Shaolin has every tool a character could need to compete at a high level.

Smoke lacks a good wakeup and his safe damage is ehhh.

I keep hearing this. Ex Smoke shift is a better wakeup than most of the cast no?

Least its not cyrax where your wakeup is full punish, applies a 50% scaling of the followup, has 0 range and gets stuffed by single hits 90% of the time. Might as well not exist.

 

[Poser Paul]

I keep hearing this. Ex Smoke shift is a better wakeup than most of the cast no?

Least its not cyrax where your wakeup is full punish, applies a 50% scaling of the followup, has 0 range and gets stuffed by single hits 90% of the time. Might as well not exist.

Ex phase is good unless it's being baited

 

[Johnny Based Cage]

Ex phase is good unless it's being baited

That's not a knock against the wake-up, though. That's how all wake-ups are supposed to work. You bait Reptile's EX Slide or Kung Lao's EX Spin and it's the same shit; doesn't mean they aren't some of the best wake-ups.

 

[Poser Paul]

That's not a knock against the wake-up, though. That's how all wake-ups are supposed to work. You bait Reptile's EX Slide or Kung Lao's EX Spin and it's the same shit; doesn't mean they aren't some of the best wake-ups.

Well when you have no other wake up or armor option it gets pretty hard. I'm not saying it's trash, I'm just saying it has its weak spots. Especially in the corner

 

[Wigy]

Ex phase is good unless it's being baited

You just described every single wakeup in the entire game.

 

[Jeffrey Wolf]

Smoke can just be thrown out of the phase, or punished if the opponent waits, so Smoke's wakeup = ass. That combined with a few other weaknesses means you probably won't see Smoke picked up by current high level competitors, unless there is just a lot of character love (i.e. maybe St9rm or others who played him in 9).

 

[Poser Paul]

You just described every single wakeup in the entire game.

well obviously, smokes just isn't the best

 

[CrimsonShadow]

You just described every single wakeup in the entire game.

The difference is risk/reward.

On most of the wakeups people describe as being great wakeups, the risk of hitting a button at the wrong time is being instantly launched into a full combo. With smoke, I can walk up and mash d1, and if he wakes up with phase I'm still at advantage.

Granted if you do something really slow that doesn't auto-correct, you can still be punished if it whiffs after the phase, but it's not the same as being instantly full-comboed for hitting any button on wakeup.

With that said, I think Smoke is fine. But it's definitely not "every single wakeup in the entire game".